Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WHY does everything has to be gay now??

just to push boundaries - now some are clamoring for Captain America to have a boyfriend http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/25/give-captain-america-a-boyfriend-the-campaigns-to-make-disney-s-big-franchises-more-gay-friendly.html I guess the movement we'll get is for Bugs Bunny to be trans

My son would be devastated!

Anonymous wrote:When Frozen came out, there were a lot of people who felt that Elsa's struggle with her powers was an analogy for the struggle that many have with their sexuality. Being told that something you cannot change is wrong and dangerous? Check. Being afraid that if people find out, you will be ostracized and possibly harmed? Check.

"Everything" is not gay now. There are still plenty of straight people in the world and stories about them.

As for Captain America and Bucky Barnes, they seemed pretty much like boyfriends to me, minus the sex. If MCU wants to spell it out, that's fine with me, though I think leaving it implied a la Dumbledore is also fine, in both cases.

Dumbledore?

Anonymous wrote:But why does everything have to be specialized? Elsa...Bert/Ernie...can't they just be freaking children's entertainment characters?!?

I was the PP who mentioned Ernie/Bert. I didn't really think anything was specialized or normalized. I just 'knew' what their sexual identity was, like I knew what mine was. I honestly don't think any kids characters were meant to be gay/straight... Some kids probably didn't think about it... I just happened to (straight female here)... but you put the pieces together and make your own judgements, you know?

Right, Mr LOPART... RIGHT??? wink wink

And what about Kristof? He loved his reindeer. And he doesn't even get a glittery dress. How is that fair?

Anonymous wrote:But why does everything have to be specialized? Elsa...Bert/Ernie...can't they just be freaking children's entertainment characters?!?

Most of these cartoons leave enough nuance in their relationships that gay people can project their fantasies on them. i don't get why popular characters should be specifically gay.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's because the original story as depicted by disney is an obvious metaphor for parents who reject their gay children.

It is no more obvious a metaphor for this than for about 1,000 other things - not sure it is a logical outgrowth.

Yeah, I don't understand why of ALL things its only a metaphor for being gay. Its a metaphor for anything that makes a child different from other children. Too fat, disabled, black, immigrant etc.

+1

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's because the original story as depicted by disney is an obvious metaphor for parents who reject their gay children.

It is no more obvious a metaphor for this than for about 1,000 other things - not sure it is a logical outgrowth.

This.

^^^meant "sexualized" not specialized

But why does everything have to be specialized? Elsa...Bert/Ernie...can't they just be freaking children's entertainment characters?!?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's because the original story as depicted by disney is an obvious metaphor for parents who reject their gay children.

It is no more obvious a metaphor for this than for about 1,000 other things - not sure it is a logical outgrowth.

Yeah, I don't understand why of ALL things its only a metaphor for being gay. Its a metaphor for anything that makes a child different from other children. Too fat, disabled, black, immigrant etc.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.etcanada.com/blogs/etc_197118/idina-menzel-reacts-to-frozen-petition-to-give-elsa-a-girlfriend-i-think-its-great/movies

Hmmm...so because she is a "strong" woman, she needs to be a lesbian? I don't get this.

I would argue that Anna is the strong one in the story, not Elsa.

Anonymous wrote:I think it's because the original story as depicted by disney is an obvious metaphor for parents who reject their gay children.

It is no more obvious a metaphor for this than for about 1,000 other things - not sure it is a logical outgrowth.

Anonymous wrote:I think it's because the original story as depicted by disney is an obvious metaphor for parents who reject their gay children.

I only half watch Disney movies, but I missed this part. That does make sense though... I bet some people do feel that way..."conceal/don't feel/don't let it show/well now they know..."...yep, got it.

My biggest problem with the movie/character is that everyone seems to idolize Elsa and I don't see her as a tragic hero, I see her as someone running from her problems to the point where her sister was the one who engaged with life and helped solve the problems.

eh, well. At least it's a little more nuanced... not an Ernie/Bert thing. I remember being a kid and 'knowing' they were gay, being embarrassed at Bert's stereotype and wondering if Ernie was more asexual than gay.

Anonymous wrote:When Frozen came out, there were a lot of people who felt that Elsa's struggle with her powers was an analogy for the struggle that many have with their sexuality. Being told that something you cannot change is wrong and dangerous? Check. Being afraid that if people find out, you will be ostracized and possibly harmed? Check.

"Everything" is not gay now. There are still plenty of straight people in the world and stories about them.

As for Captain America and Bucky Barnes, they seemed pretty much like boyfriends to me, minus the sex. If MCU wants to spell it out, that's fine with me, though I think leaving it implied a la Dumbledore is also fine, in both cases.

Except there's a 70 year cannon in which Bucky Barnes is for all intents and purposes, Steve Rodgers' adopted son. The pairing of Bucky and cap makes about as much sense as Bruce Wayne hooking up with Dick Grayson.

I think it's because the original story as depicted by disney is an obvious metaphor for parents who reject their gay children.