Anonymous
05/11/2016 22:42
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This happened to me. I started out thinking I like this guy and wish he was electable and now I just think "God GO AWAY."
This totally describes both my husband and me.
+1
When I first started hearing Bernie's stump speeches, I was really impressed and told my DH "that's who I'm voting for, I have a gut feeling on this." Unfortunately, the pragmatic underpinnings of a real candidacy were never there -- the more candidates had to describe how their promises would happen IN REALITY, the more I disliked Bernie and his campaign's desire to promise the moon while eschewing the responsibility of explaining how they'd deliver. I'm thoroughly done with him now and disgusted that he's weakening the presumptive candidate (HRC) with his rhetoric at this point. It's like he desperately wants to be this generation's Ralph Nader.
Like a PP said -- if you're 20 and feeling the Bern, I can forgive you. But at this point, if you're older than, say, 30 and supporting him, you're callow and irresponsible.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 22:35
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:A Sanders supporter showed up at my door a few weeks ago wearing a CCCP t-shirt. It was literally all I could do to politely inform him that we're a Clinton household, but HOLY CRAP Millennials! When you are door-knocking for a self-described socialist, maybe try not to evoke mental images of famine, gulag, and bread lines.
Cool story, bro. Why not just go all out and say a Sanders supporter came to your door wearing devil's horns and carrying a pitchfork? It would be about as credible. Sorry but Sweden != USSR. And when you say stuff like "self described socialist" you out yourself as someone who no doubt voted for Ronald Reagan back in the day.
This whole thread is just pure crap posts from wanna-be bullshit artists. Don't consider quitting your career to pursue professional-grade bullshit artistry.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 22:02
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This happened to me. I started out thinking I like this guy and wish he was electable and now I just think "God GO AWAY."
This totally describes both my husband and me.
Likewise.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 21:45
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:I am curious if anyone else has started off liking him and considering voting for him last year, and ended up doing an 180 this year. I am left leaning independent, if that matters. He is basically in Trump territory for me now aka I change the channel when he is on. No, I am not trolling, just interested to see if this a common trend.
He has not changed. The coverage has changed. The slant has changed.
I mute it all.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 21:08
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
A Sanders supporter showed up at my door a few weeks ago wearing a CCCP t-shirt. It was literally all I could do to politely inform him that we're a Clinton household, but HOLY CRAP Millennials! When you are door-knocking for a self-described socialist, maybe try not to evoke mental images of famine, gulag, and bread lines.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 20:53
Subject: Re:Your evolution on Sanders
I started out thinking I like this guy and wish he was electable and now I just think "God GO AWAY."
This is me, too. Thank you, sir, for pulling Hillary further left than she would be otherwise, now go back to Vermont and get off my TV. If I were half my age, I have no doubt that I would be feeling the Bern, so I completely understand his support from younger millennials. I don't understand the overwrought support from people who have lived in the real world for at least 10 years.
I don't need to be head over heels with the candidate I vote for in November. I would vote for a bag of rocks if that's what the Democratic party put up against Trump.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 20:19
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
I've felt for a long time that Democratic candidates are less progressive than I am, so in some sense I would naturally gravitate toward Sanders. But given that even among my mostly liberal/Democrat friends I'm still pretty liberal, I also don't think someone who fully represents my views would likely to be President. Still, I entered the primary season sort of torn between my own policy ideals and the person whom I thought would be a more competent POTUS.
Through the last few months, and especially in response to the relentless fact-resistant Clinton-bashing by Sanders and his supporters, I've come to two conclusions: (1) Sanders may have a progressive vision, but he doesn't have meaningful policies to enact them...and some of what he's promoting would hurt the cause of things I care about like better and more accessible public education at all levels, and (2) Clinton is a lot more progressive and liberal than people, including me, give her credit for being. On top of this, I really don't understand or agree with the venom with which he continues to attack Clinton...I think it will hurt liberal politics and he ends up with the credibility of Nader instead of a progressive who really has the power to lead a national majority. I wish he would focus on the ideals he seeks more...and point out, where it makes sense, why, say "free college for all" is a better policy than "expanding and adding college tuition assistance and grants for those who need it". Clinton has argued that her policy is more practical and less costly; Sanders simply says she's afraid...I want him to convince me that his idea is better than hers.
There are realities of Hillary Clinton's history in the public spotlight that I wish were were different, but overall my evolution on Sanders has been to become much more strongly in support of Clinton
Through the last few months, and especially in response to the relentless fact-resistant Clinton-bashing by Sanders and his supporters, I've come to two conclusions: (1) Sanders may have a progressive vision, but he doesn't have meaningful policies to enact them...and some of what he's promoting would hurt the cause of things I care about like better and more accessible public education at all levels, and (2) Clinton is a lot more progressive and liberal than people, including me, give her credit for being. On top of this, I really don't understand or agree with the venom with which he continues to attack Clinton...I think it will hurt liberal politics and he ends up with the credibility of Nader instead of a progressive who really has the power to lead a national majority. I wish he would focus on the ideals he seeks more...and point out, where it makes sense, why, say "free college for all" is a better policy than "expanding and adding college tuition assistance and grants for those who need it". Clinton has argued that her policy is more practical and less costly; Sanders simply says she's afraid...I want him to convince me that his idea is better than hers.
There are realities of Hillary Clinton's history in the public spotlight that I wish were were different, but overall my evolution on Sanders has been to become much more strongly in support of Clinton
Anonymous
05/11/2016 20:16
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:I am curious if anyone else has started off liking him and considering voting for him last year, and ended up doing an 180 this year. I am left leaning independent, if that matters. He is basically in Trump territory for me now aka I change the channel when he is on. No, I am not trolling, just interested to see if this a common trend.
Sort of. I never seriously considered voting for him because I recognized right off the bat his platform was complete and utter pie-in-the-sky stuff, but I agree in principle with a lot of what he stands for. Unfortunately, his explanations of how he would accomplish his platform as president grew increasingly disingenuous over time, while the behavior of his supporters rapidly went from starry-eyed naivete to outright toddler temper tantrums. Now I'm pretty disgusted with his candidacy. More accurately, with his continued candidacy.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 20:11
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My evolution on Sanders is that the more I know about him, the more I like him. When I listen to his old speeches in Congress over the years, I am very moved that a man this consistent and ethical exists and has gotten so far in government advocating for the things I believe are right. It is very moving to me to see him fighting so hard. I knew little about him before this race. I find it very sad that people would rather have someone as corrupt as Clinton running our country but that is the way it has been for a very long time and I should not have expected anything else.
The fact that both you and pp felt the need to bring Clinton into a post about Sanders, only reinforces my stance so far. Because all he does lately too is bash her
Things don't happen in a vacuum; Sanders caught on with me - and probably others - partly because Clinton is totally beholden to corporate interests. Sanders is not!
She is not the topic of conversation.
See above
The topic is the evolution on Sanders. Mine was an almost direct function of how I felt about Clinton. Very relevant to the topic.
For me as well. As I learned more about the two candidates, the contrast between the two has been a big part of my evolution. You really can't talk about one without saying what the problem is with the other.
Read thE OP. Thank you
Okay,wait... so it is okay for other posters to say they prefer Clinton now or are we not allowed to mention Clinton at all?
It is fine to say that you back Clinton because Sanders turned you off. You are not allowed to say that Clinton turned you off and you then supported Sanders.
The former is on topic but the latter is off topic and you will be told to read the OP.
See above
Anonymous
05/11/2016 20:11
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My evolution on Sanders is that the more I know about him, the more I like him. When I listen to his old speeches in Congress over the years, I am very moved that a man this consistent and ethical exists and has gotten so far in government advocating for the things I believe are right. It is very moving to me to see him fighting so hard. I knew little about him before this race. I find it very sad that people would rather have someone as corrupt as Clinton running our country but that is the way it has been for a very long time and I should not have expected anything else.
The fact that both you and pp felt the need to bring Clinton into a post about Sanders, only reinforces my stance so far. Because all he does lately too is bash her
Things don't happen in a vacuum; Sanders caught on with me - and probably others - partly because Clinton is totally beholden to corporate interests. Sanders is not!
She is not the topic of conversation.
The topic is the evolution on Sanders. Mine was an almost direct function of how I felt about Clinton. Very relevant to the topic.
For me as well. As I learned more about the two candidates, the contrast between the two has been a big part of my evolution. You really can't talk about one without saying what the problem is with the other.
Read thE OP. Thank you
Okay,wait... so it is okay for other posters to say they prefer Clinton now or are we not allowed to mention Clinton at all?
You are allowed to do what you want. I guess I'll just skip your posts since I am not interested.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 20:10
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My evolution on Sanders is that the more I know about him, the more I like him. When I listen to his old speeches in Congress over the years, I am very moved that a man this consistent and ethical exists and has gotten so far in government advocating for the things I believe are right. It is very moving to me to see him fighting so hard. I knew little about him before this race. I find it very sad that people would rather have someone as corrupt as Clinton running our country but that is the way it has been for a very long time and I should not have expected anything else.
The fact that both you and pp felt the need to bring Clinton into a post about Sanders, only reinforces my stance so far. Because all he does lately too is bash her
Things don't happen in a vacuum; Sanders caught on with me - and probably others - partly because Clinton is totally beholden to corporate interests. Sanders is not!
She is not the topic of conversation.
The topic is the evolution on Sanders. Mine was an almost direct function of how I felt about Clinton. Very relevant to the topic.
For me as well. As I learned more about the two candidates, the contrast between the two has been a big part of my evolution. You really can't talk about one without saying what the problem is with the other.
Read thE OP. Thank you
Okay,wait... so it is okay for other posters to say they prefer Clinton now or are we not allowed to mention Clinton at all?
It is fine to say that you back Clinton because Sanders turned you off. You are not allowed to say that Clinton turned you off and you then supported Sanders.
The former is on topic but the latter is off topic and you will be told to read the OP.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 20:06
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My evolution on Sanders is that the more I know about him, the more I like him. When I listen to his old speeches in Congress over the years, I am very moved that a man this consistent and ethical exists and has gotten so far in government advocating for the things I believe are right. It is very moving to me to see him fighting so hard. I knew little about him before this race. I find it very sad that people would rather have someone as corrupt as Clinton running our country but that is the way it has been for a very long time and I should not have expected anything else.
The fact that both you and pp felt the need to bring Clinton into a post about Sanders, only reinforces my stance so far. Because all he does lately too is bash her
Things don't happen in a vacuum; Sanders caught on with me - and probably others - partly because Clinton is totally beholden to corporate interests. Sanders is not!
She is not the topic of conversation.
The topic is the evolution on Sanders. Mine was an almost direct function of how I felt about Clinton. Very relevant to the topic.
No clue! OP compared Sanders to Trump! So who knows what's allowed and not allowed.
For me as well. As I learned more about the two candidates, the contrast between the two has been a big part of my evolution. You really can't talk about one without saying what the problem is with the other.
Read thE OP. Thank you
Okay,wait... so it is okay for other posters to say they prefer Clinton now or are we not allowed to mention Clinton at all?
Anonymous
05/11/2016 20:05
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My evolution on Sanders is that the more I know about him, the more I like him. When I listen to his old speeches in Congress over the years, I am very moved that a man this consistent and ethical exists and has gotten so far in government advocating for the things I believe are right. It is very moving to me to see him fighting so hard. I knew little about him before this race. I find it very sad that people would rather have someone as corrupt as Clinton running our country but that is the way it has been for a very long time and I should not have expected anything else.
The fact that both you and pp felt the need to bring Clinton into a post about Sanders, only reinforces my stance so far. Because all he does lately too is bash her
Things don't happen in a vacuum; Sanders caught on with me - and probably others - partly because Clinton is totally beholden to corporate interests. Sanders is not!
She is not the topic of conversation.
The topic is the evolution on Sanders. Mine was an almost direct function of how I felt about Clinton. Very relevant to the topic.
For me as well. As I learned more about the two candidates, the contrast between the two has been a big part of my evolution. You really can't talk about one without saying what the problem is with the other.
Read thE OP. Thank you
Okay,wait... so it is okay for other posters to say they prefer Clinton now or are we not allowed to mention Clinton at all?
Anonymous
05/11/2016 20:05
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:This happened to me. I started out thinking I like this guy and wish he was electable and now I just think "God GO AWAY."
This totally describes both my husband and me.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 20:01
Subject: Your evolution on Sanders
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My evolution on Sanders is that the more I know about him, the more I like him. When I listen to his old speeches in Congress over the years, I am very moved that a man this consistent and ethical exists and has gotten so far in government advocating for the things I believe are right. It is very moving to me to see him fighting so hard. I knew little about him before this race. I find it very sad that people would rather have someone as corrupt as Clinton running our country but that is the way it has been for a very long time and I should not have expected anything else.
The fact that both you and pp felt the need to bring Clinton into a post about Sanders, only reinforces my stance so far. Because all he does lately too is bash her
Things don't happen in a vacuum; Sanders caught on with me - and probably others - partly because Clinton is totally beholden to corporate interests. Sanders is not!
She is not the topic of conversation.
The topic is the evolution on Sanders. Mine was an almost direct function of how I felt about Clinton. Very relevant to the topic.
For me as well. As I learned more about the two candidates, the contrast between the two has been a big part of my evolution. You really can't talk about one without saying what the problem is with the other.
Read thE OP. Thank you