Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I always wonder why the MERLD posts attract such vitriol.

I suspect it's because it gets confused with autism a lot, and nobody wants the autism label if their child isn't really autistic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I always wonder why the MERLD posts attract such vitriol.

My DS had this diagnosis under the old DSM. What we found with him is that the expressive disorder was really just a follow on from the receptive language disorder. He was rock bottom on scores for this (3%). Expressive was actually quite a bit better, low normal around 25%. The SLP said he must have been exploiting every bit of the little receptive language he had to get the expressive scores he had.

He was dx'ed with an auditory processing disorder at GW. We did a lot of language therapy, as well as Fast Forward. He fortunately was one of those it helped--enormously. The gains he made on his testing after each of the two rounds of FFW would have taken many more years of language therapy to achieve.

what is FFW?

Anonymous wrote:I always wonder why the MERLD posts attract such vitriol.

Anonymous wrote:I always wonder why the MERLD posts attract such vitriol.

My DS had this diagnosis under the old DSM. What we found with him is that the expressive disorder was really just a follow on from the receptive language disorder. He was rock bottom on scores for this (3%). Expressive was actually quite a bit better, low normal around 25%. The SLP said he must have been exploiting every bit of the little receptive language he had to get the expressive scores he had.

He was dx'ed with an auditory processing disorder at GW. We did a lot of language therapy, as well as Fast Forward. He fortunately was one of those it helped--enormously. The gains he made on his testing after each of the two rounds of FFW would have taken many more years of language therapy to achieve.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's weird that you just received a MERLD diagnosis. It's no longer in the current DSM and is covered by these categories:

--Language Impairment
--Late Language Emergence
--Specific Language Impairment
--Social Communication Disorder
--Voice Disorder

We were diagnosed with MERLD under the previous DSM. You can definitely have it with or without being on the spectrum. Language Impairment and Specific Language Impairment are so broad and lump in a lot of things in the current DSM.


You might find reading up on Social Communication (Pragmatics) Disorder helpful:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-social-communication-disorder

and Language Disorders:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-language-disorders

My guess would be on a practical level, your kid might have trouble with back and forth conversations, particularly with peers. Kids who fit the MERLD profile have difficulty tracking what others are saying as well as simultaneously processing what they want to say. Your kid may also have difficulty with group sports, like soccer--where there are a lot of other bodies, the ball, the coach. Your kid may also have difficulty organizing his thoughts to paper, organizing paragraphs for example. (A lot of these issues are also present in kids with ADHD.)

A lot of these issues are related to executive function and processing. So if your kid has ADHD and dyslexia, it doesn't surprise me that he has MERLD. I just find it surprising that the psychologist gave this diagnosis now and wondering if it was a private or school testing.

If you have MERLD, you do not have ASD/PDD, as a previous poster said.


MERLD is still diagnosed everyday. Just because it's not in the DSM doesn't mean professionals aren't using it.

Well, that's not very professional of them. BTW, PDD isn't the DSM either anymore. Having MERLD doesn't preclude you from being on the spectrum. You can have both or just one. It's a processing issue.

Exactly and it is treated exactly the same way whether ASD is present or not with speech therapy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's weird that you just received a MERLD diagnosis. It's no longer in the current DSM and is covered by these categories:

--Language Impairment
--Late Language Emergence
--Specific Language Impairment
--Social Communication Disorder
--Voice Disorder

We were diagnosed with MERLD under the previous DSM. You can definitely have it with or without being on the spectrum. Language Impairment and Specific Language Impairment are so broad and lump in a lot of things in the current DSM.


You might find reading up on Social Communication (Pragmatics) Disorder helpful:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-social-communication-disorder

and Language Disorders:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-language-disorders

My guess would be on a practical level, your kid might have trouble with back and forth conversations, particularly with peers. Kids who fit the MERLD profile have difficulty tracking what others are saying as well as simultaneously processing what they want to say. Your kid may also have difficulty with group sports, like soccer--where there are a lot of other bodies, the ball, the coach. Your kid may also have difficulty organizing his thoughts to paper, organizing paragraphs for example. (A lot of these issues are also present in kids with ADHD.)

A lot of these issues are related to executive function and processing. So if your kid has ADHD and dyslexia, it doesn't surprise me that he has MERLD. I just find it surprising that the psychologist gave this diagnosis now and wondering if it was a private or school testing.

If you have MERLD, you do not have ASD/PDD, as a previous poster said.


MERLD is still diagnosed everyday. Just because it's not in the DSM doesn't mean professionals aren't using it.

Well, that's not very professional of them. BTW, PDD isn't the DSM either anymore. Having MERLD doesn't preclude you from being on the spectrum. You can have both or just one. It's a processing issue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's weird that you just received a MERLD diagnosis. It's no longer in the current DSM and is covered by these categories:

--Language Impairment
--Late Language Emergence
--Specific Language Impairment
--Social Communication Disorder
--Voice Disorder

We were diagnosed with MERLD under the previous DSM. You can definitely have it with or without being on the spectrum. Language Impairment and Specific Language Impairment are so broad and lump in a lot of things in the current DSM.


You might find reading up on Social Communication (Pragmatics) Disorder helpful:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-social-communication-disorder

and Language Disorders:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-language-disorders

My guess would be on a practical level, your kid might have trouble with back and forth conversations, particularly with peers. Kids who fit the MERLD profile have difficulty tracking what others are saying as well as simultaneously processing what they want to say. Your kid may also have difficulty with group sports, like soccer--where there are a lot of other bodies, the ball, the coach. Your kid may also have difficulty organizing his thoughts to paper, organizing paragraphs for example. (A lot of these issues are also present in kids with ADHD.)

A lot of these issues are related to executive function and processing. So if your kid has ADHD and dyslexia, it doesn't surprise me that he has MERLD. I just find it surprising that the psychologist gave this diagnosis now and wondering if it was a private or school testing.

If you have MERLD, you do not have ASD/PDD, as a previous poster said.


MERLD is still diagnosed everyday. Just because it's not in the DSM doesn't mean professionals aren't using it.

Well, that's not very professional of them. BTW, PDD isn't the DSM either anymore. Having MERLD doesn't preclude you from being on the spectrum. You can have both or just one. It's a processing issue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's weird that you just received a MERLD diagnosis. It's no longer in the current DSM and is covered by these categories:

--Language Impairment
--Late Language Emergence
--Specific Language Impairment
--Social Communication Disorder
--Voice Disorder

We were diagnosed with MERLD under the previous DSM. You can definitely have it with or without being on the spectrum. Language Impairment and Specific Language Impairment are so broad and lump in a lot of things in the current DSM.


You might find reading up on Social Communication (Pragmatics) Disorder helpful:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-social-communication-disorder

and Language Disorders:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-language-disorders

My guess would be on a practical level, your kid might have trouble with back and forth conversations, particularly with peers. Kids who fit the MERLD profile have difficulty tracking what others are saying as well as simultaneously processing what they want to say. Your kid may also have difficulty with group sports, like soccer--where there are a lot of other bodies, the ball, the coach. Your kid may also have difficulty organizing his thoughts to paper, organizing paragraphs for example. (A lot of these issues are also present in kids with ADHD.)

A lot of these issues are related to executive function and processing. So if your kid has ADHD and dyslexia, it doesn't surprise me that he has MERLD. I just find it surprising that the psychologist gave this diagnosis now and wondering if it was a private or school testing.

If you have MERLD, you do not have ASD/PDD, as a previous poster said.


MERLD is still diagnosed everyday. Just because it's not in the DSM doesn't mean professionals aren't using it.

Well, that's not very professional of them. BTW, PDD isn't the DSM either anymore. Having MERLD doesn't preclude you from being on the spectrum. You can have both or just one. It's a processing issue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's weird that you just received a MERLD diagnosis. It's no longer in the current DSM and is covered by these categories:

--Language Impairment
--Late Language Emergence
--Specific Language Impairment
--Social Communication Disorder
--Voice Disorder

We were diagnosed with MERLD under the previous DSM. You can definitely have it with or without being on the spectrum. Language Impairment and Specific Language Impairment are so broad and lump in a lot of things in the current DSM.


You might find reading up on Social Communication (Pragmatics) Disorder helpful:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-social-communication-disorder

and Language Disorders:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-language-disorders

My guess would be on a practical level, your kid might have trouble with back and forth conversations, particularly with peers. Kids who fit the MERLD profile have difficulty tracking what others are saying as well as simultaneously processing what they want to say. Your kid may also have difficulty with group sports, like soccer--where there are a lot of other bodies, the ball, the coach. Your kid may also have difficulty organizing his thoughts to paper, organizing paragraphs for example. (A lot of these issues are also present in kids with ADHD.)

A lot of these issues are related to executive function and processing. So if your kid has ADHD and dyslexia, it doesn't surprise me that he has MERLD. I just find it surprising that the psychologist gave this diagnosis now and wondering if it was a private or school testing.

If you have MERLD, you do not have ASD/PDD, as a previous poster said.


MERLD is still diagnosed everyday. Just because it's not in the DSM doesn't mean professionals aren't using it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS, in 6th grade, was just diagnosed with this. He's long had ADHD and dyslexia and has struggled a ton in school. He has had speech evaluations in the past but no one ever flagged this specifically. Any insights/recommendations/encouragement. We're trying to wrap our heads around this, including whether it goes together with an autism spectrum DX (he has not been DX'd ever as being on the spectrum and has had a recent neuropsych evaluation). Many thanks!

OP, MERLD is not a spectrum disorder. it is a language based disorder. Was your testing done by the school system or by an actual psychologist?

The testing was done by a very good SLP. He separately had neuropsych testing and the neuropsychologist recommended speech-language testing.

OP I totally understand your confusion. If you trust your SLP and the psychologist, and neither of them used the word "autism spectrum" then you have nothing to be concerned about. Do keep in mind however that many of the therapies will be the same as what a chid on the spectrum would receive.

We are in MCPS. My DS is 13, with significant ADHD which impairs his language and social interactions because he can't focus long enough to really "catch" social queues. You can imagine the snowball effect this has! We had him tested 3 times over the years. Twice by neuropsychologist and once by a developmental pediatrician at Kennedy Kreiger (KKI). All agreed on ADHD, and early on one psychologist suspected MERLD but that was later replaced by the signifiant ADHD diagnosis. All the while MCPS kept stomping their feet, trying to shove ASD down our throats because their "quasi-psychologist" who has MAYBE a Masters degree and not a Doctorate degree felt that was the correct diagnosis. This is because they have zero idea what they're talking about. Its easier for them to just shove your kid into a neat little box so that they can just be done with it. That has disastrous outcomes, so if you're in that position please be weary of this.

FWIW we pulled DS out of MCPS and put him in private because they pretty much washed their hands of DS. They thought they had him figured out and treated him as such- as a low achieving kid who would not amount to much.

Anonymous wrote:It's weird that you just received a MERLD diagnosis. It's no longer in the current DSM and is covered by these categories:

--Language Impairment
--Late Language Emergence
--Specific Language Impairment
--Social Communication Disorder
--Voice Disorder

We were diagnosed with MERLD under the previous DSM. You can definitely have it with or without being on the spectrum. Language Impairment and Specific Language Impairment are so broad and lump in a lot of things in the current DSM.


You might find reading up on Social Communication (Pragmatics) Disorder helpful:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-social-communication-disorder

and Language Disorders:
https://www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/child-learning-disabilities/communication-disorders/understanding-language-disorders

My guess would be on a practical level, your kid might have trouble with back and forth conversations, particularly with peers. Kids who fit the MERLD profile have difficulty tracking what others are saying as well as simultaneously processing what they want to say. Your kid may also have difficulty with group sports, like soccer--where there are a lot of other bodies, the ball, the coach. Your kid may also have difficulty organizing his thoughts to paper, organizing paragraphs for example. (A lot of these issues are also present in kids with ADHD.)

A lot of these issues are related to executive function and processing. So if your kid has ADHD and dyslexia, it doesn't surprise me that he has MERLD. I just find it surprising that the psychologist gave this diagnosis now and wondering if it was a private or school testing.