Anonymous wrote:Hillary supporters don't understand Bernie nor do you understand many of his supporters. You are so used to Hillary who changes her opinions based on the direction the wind blows.

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Anonymous wrote:The dumbest part about these Bernie dead-enders is that they are effectively pushing Clinton more to the center.

If Bernie and his supporters give their full backing to Clinton, then she will have an overwhelming majority in the election. She will have a massive mandate, and the Senate will almost certainly flip Democrat. The House likely will stay Republican, but it will be a fairly close call.

But when they threaten to stay home or protest vote, what does that force Clinton to do? She's got to make up those votes by drifting to the center and taking them from Trump.

If you Bernie fans would just set your bruised egos aside for a moment and think, you'd realize that you can make more progress by supporting Clinton than by opposing her. If you support her, she can have the confidence to keep further left. But no, you seem to want to cut off your nose to spite your face.

PP again. Also, when she's forced to drift to the center because the far-left people are threatening her, the center votes she gains are not as good for other Democratic candidates. She might get some centrist voters who are opposed to Trump, but many of them won't translate to votes for other Democratic candidates in Congress or state elections.

The left wing votes for Hillary are good not only at keeping Hillary away from the center, but also at tilting Congress to the left. That's especially important because if Hillary wins the presidency, but gets stuck with a Republican Congress, then the only way she can accomplish anything is by making centrist deals with the Republicans in Congress.

By refusing to support Hillary because you think she's too centrist, you're actually forcing her to be more centrist. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Put your damn egos aside and think about it.

Anonymous wrote: There are what, 10 neocons in this country?

Anonymous wrote:The dumbest part about these Bernie dead-enders is that they are effectively pushing Clinton more to the center.

If Bernie and his supporters give their full backing to Clinton, then she will have an overwhelming majority in the election. She will have a massive mandate, and the Senate will almost certainly flip Democrat. The House likely will stay Republican, but it will be a fairly close call.

But when they threaten to stay home or protest vote, what does that force Clinton to do? She's got to make up those votes by drifting to the center and taking them from Trump.

If you Bernie fans would just set your bruised egos aside for a moment and think, you'd realize that you can make more progress by supporting Clinton than by opposing her. If you support her, she can have the confidence to keep further left. But no, you seem to want to cut off your nose to spite your face.

takoma wrote:Politics is a multi-dimensional universe. One's stands on military questions, abortion, economic equality, LGBT rights, the death penalty, and other issues are logically independent of each other, as well as of a candidate's experience and qualifications.

So it is not at all unusual to support a candidate you disagree with on some issue because you agree on issues that are more important to you. Hillary is undoubtedly more hawkish than I would like, but on most other issues she is more or less on my wavelength. And even on the hawkishness issue, it is likely that the GOP candidate will be even less to my liking.

Consequently, although my (small) contributions have so far gone to Bernie, I have no doubt that I will be giving money, time, and my vote to Hillary if/when she is the nominee.

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Anonymous wrote:blah blah blah -- Time to face facts, Bernie fans. More Democrats want Hillary Clinton as their nominee than Bernie ... millions more. You can pout and cry and make up all the junk you want, but it's not changing the will of the people. Bernie made his best case, but the voters have spoken.

And polls say more Independents want Sanders as President than Clinton ... millions more. You can gloat and cheer and make up all the junk you want, but it's not changing the will of the people. Hillary will lose the general election and you will have the estaplishment Democrat primary voters to thank.

Only if jackasses like you sit on your fat rumps on election day.

Anonymous wrote:The worst part from my standpoint is that I dread the thought of either Clinton or Trump as the next president.

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Anonymous wrote:blah blah blah -- Time to face facts, Bernie fans. More Democrats want Hillary Clinton as their nominee than Bernie ... millions more. You can pout and cry and make up all the junk you want, but it's not changing the will of the people. Bernie made his best case, but the voters have spoken.

And polls say more Independents want Sanders as President than Clinton ... millions more. You can gloat and cheer and make up all the junk you want, but it's not changing the will of the people. Hillary will lose the general election and you will have the estaplishment Democrat primary voters to thank.

Anonymous wrote:blah blah blah -- Time to face facts, Bernie fans. More Democrats want Hillary Clinton as their nominee than Bernie ... millions more. You can pout and cry and make up all the junk you want, but it's not changing the will of the people. Bernie made his best case, but the voters have spoken.

Anonymous wrote:HRC will attract neocons to make up the loss of true progressives. The question is will that be enough. I think she will fall short. The country as a whole is tired of going to war in the middle east. It's time for Bernie, or Trump.