When I was in grad school, the fellowship for URM was twice what it was for the rest of us. They got summer support and we all had to go out and get jobs.

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They basically have parallel universities in place where URMs get significant amounts of additional instruction and tutoring.

Oh, really? Where was that located because I missed it when I was there.

When I was in graduate school the one AA female in the program was there on a fellowship so she didn't need to do an RA or TA, had a faculty representative that would help her with studying. In addition to this support when her GPA dropped below the required 3.0 needed to graduate they allowed her to count some of the the remedial undergraduate courses she needed to take towards her required graduate work to bump up her grades. This was at UVA; not sure it was program specific or something that was more widespread.

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight, but it stands to reason that some kids who were denied entry into Michigan because of what was years later found to be an unlawful quota system have grounds for feeling that they were sacrificed on the altar of affirmative action.

The few hundred denied entry to Michigan likely got an excellent education elsewhere. They were not sacrificed. Sacrificed is hundreds of thousands working in forced labor camps to build the capital of this great nation and then being denied opportunity at all levels of society (not just college) for decades.

Such a predictable and stupid response....

Again ignorance. In like Flynn. Really.

Wish my kids were URM they would get in like Flyne
However, on the otherside they need to prove themselves.

Depends on the urm and the school. Some care more about the SES of the applicant. U of MD doesn't quite get it - but it is located in PG.

They basically have parallel universities in place where URMs get significant amounts of additional instruction and tutoring.

Oh, really? Where was that located because I missed it when I was there.

Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight, but it stands to reason that some kids who were denied entry into Michigan because of what was years later found to be an unlawful quota system have grounds for feeling that they were sacrificed on the altar of affirmative action.

The few hundred denied entry to Michigan likely got an excellent education elsewhere. They were not sacrificed. Sacrificed is hundreds of thousands working in forced labor camps to build the capital of this great nation and then being denied opportunity at all levels of society (not just college) for decades.

No dog in this fight, but it stands to reason that some kids who were denied entry into Michigan because of what was years later found to be an unlawful quota system have grounds for feeling that they were sacrificed on the altar of affirmative action.

Anonymous wrote:You know what? It is competitive out there. It is going to remain so for the forseeable future.

Just don't understand why you all keep harping on this.

I think these posts say way more about you than the kids at these schools. Furthermore, you teach your kids to blame blacks for not getting into these schools. Shame on you.

They blame blacks/Hispanics for not working hard enough and then turn around and blame Asians for working too hard (forcing whites to work too hard to try to keep up).

You know what? It is competitive out there. It is going to remain so for the forseeable future.

Just don't understand why you all keep harping on this.

I think these posts say way more about you than the kids at these schools. Furthermore, you teach your kids to blame blacks for not getting into these schools. Shame on you.

I am really curious as to who keeps starting these threads. As best I see, they only fan flames and spread a lot of misinformation. PP, I graduated from on of the school you mention and I have family members who attend. I did not see that HUGE support you talk about.

Again, why do we keep talking about this? So a low percentage of URM at the top institutions. I just feel like many of you are just teeing off under the guise of anonymity.

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The URM kids with the stats to legitimately be considered for UVA go to Harvard and Princeton. There just aren't that many URM kids with stellar scores.

Yes, this is exactly it. Unfortunately, many people don't understand this.

There just is not a very large pool of highly qualified URMs. That's why there is affirmative action in the first place. This doesn't impact the top schools; HYP, Stanford, etc. But by the time they get their "fill" on URMs the Michigans, Berekeleys, and UVAs of the US don't have much to work with.

That is why after UC Berkeley ended affirmative action in the 90s there was a significant drop in URM enrollment, however 4 years later URM graduation rates were still generally the same. That is because in order to make their URM numbers, Berkeley was admitting many URMs who just could not graduate.

Now, Michigan/UVA/Berkeley etc are smarter in how they handle URM graduation rates. They basically have parallel universities in place where URMs get significant amounts of additional instruction and tutoring. This helps them meet the standards of their college, but only at much additional effort. All of that raises the question as to whether they were even qualified in the first place if they require several times over worth of additional hand holding just to graduate, but that is where we are today with most public ivies.

[quote=Anonymous]What I noticed with my son's class what not necessarily getting in but getting money. Smart kids, especially first kids to go to college got big money.