Anonymous
03/24/2016 17:49
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
I'd say the violent anti-LGBT government of Uganda is an example of Christian (even US-missionary sponsored) hatred and repression. It's been all over the news in the past few years. Here's an article written by a Christian leader disavowing it. But rest assured there are plenty of Conservative groups in the US that do and have promoted this culture and legislation.
It's shameful.
But that's just an example. Not saying it's at all the same thing as DAESH. But it has something in common: Religion as the conduit for hatred rather than good.
(Another thing: The US cannot overlook its own military and economic and diplomatic policies when head-scratching about why ISIS/DAESH keeps getting bigger and bigger. It is accidental, but not considering that is pure ignorance.)
It's shameful.
But that's just an example. Not saying it's at all the same thing as DAESH. But it has something in common: Religion as the conduit for hatred rather than good.
(Another thing: The US cannot overlook its own military and economic and diplomatic policies when head-scratching about why ISIS/DAESH keeps getting bigger and bigger. It is accidental, but not considering that is pure ignorance.)
Anonymous
03/24/2016 17:25
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because jihadists aren't liberal and have no interest in a multicultural society. So, you have that much in common with them, anyway. They, like you, have a hatred of cultural inclusiveness, banning guns, liberal do whatever you want values.
So, I guess you're more like a terrorist than you thought, eh?
I'm cool with whatever but when you got violence built in to a religion that's not cool
Islam doesn't have violence built into it any more than Christianity. It only takes a few nut jobs in any faith to misappropriate the teachings.
Yes Islam does and the way it is written spurs extremism. When did the last Hindu or Christan tertiary attack occur?
No response, of course. Interesting.
Look, no response because we have better things to do than Googling stuff for you. There are plenty of Indu attacks, often on Christians and Muslims in India. As for Christian terror, what about the Lord's Resistant Army in Uganda. Anti-Balaka Christian militias in the Central African Republic massacred thousands of Muslims in 2014. The fact that these groups do not operate in the US does not mean they do not exist. Google Spanish Inquisition and you will see what was done in the name of the Christian Lord. Christianity was not inherently violent but plenty of atrocious violence has been done by Christians throughout the centuries allegedly in the name of God. A pope threatened to burn Galileo at the stake if he did not retract a scientific theory (Galileo did it, to save his life). Another Pope apologized centuries later. The Catholic Church and doctrine is the same, the Bible is the same, the time and people are different.
You are using Galileo and the Spanish Inquisition as your examples? Seriously?
Anonymous
03/24/2016 17:25
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
As I understand it, one of the reasons why Europe gets hit more often is not because it has more refugees or Muslims, but because (a) they're closer and (b) their national security systems are not integrated well enough from one national border to another. So it's easier to move between nations, under cover, and blow sh!t up without being noticed in the planning stages.
But I dunno...
But I dunno...
Anonymous
03/24/2016 17:22
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Anonymous wrote:Do they want to assimilate? It seems to me that they do not.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 17:04
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Do they want to assimilate? It seems to me that they do not.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 16:26
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because jihadists aren't liberal and have no interest in a multicultural society. So, you have that much in common with them, anyway. They, like you, have a hatred of cultural inclusiveness, banning guns, liberal do whatever you want values.
So, I guess you're more like a terrorist than you thought, eh?
I'm cool with whatever but when you got violence built in to a religion that's not cool
Islam doesn't have violence built into it any more than Christianity. It only takes a few nut jobs in any faith to misappropriate the teachings.
Yes Islam does and the way it is written spurs extremism. When did the last Hindu or Christan tertiary attack occur?
No response, of course. Interesting.
Uh, I was driving.
You want the list in chronological order or order of outrage?
Should I start with Planned Parenthood bombings and the killing of doctors such as George Tiller, or maybe discuss Eric Rudolph? Or maybe how the mass shooting at the Tennessee UU church? How about the Sikh temple masssacre in Wisconsin?
Of course, you know, the Bible tells you to kill your children for backtalk:
Exodus 21; 15, 17, And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 16:24
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because jihadists aren't liberal and have no interest in a multicultural society. So, you have that much in common with them, anyway. They, like you, have a hatred of cultural inclusiveness, banning guns, liberal do whatever you want values.
So, I guess you're more like a terrorist than you thought, eh?
I'm cool with whatever but when you got violence built in to a religion that's not cool
Islam doesn't have violence built into it any more than Christianity. It only takes a few nut jobs in any faith to misappropriate the teachings.
Yes Islam does and the way it is written spurs extremism. When did the last Hindu or Christan tertiary attack occur?
No response, of course. Interesting.
Look, no response because we have better things to do than Googling stuff for you. There are plenty of Indu attacks, often on Christians and Muslims in India. As for Christian terror, what about the Lord's Resistant Army in Uganda. Anti-Balaka Christian militias in the Central African Republic massacred thousands of Muslims in 2014. The fact that these groups do not operate in the US does not mean they do not exist. Google Spanish Inquisition and you will see what was done in the name of the Christian Lord. Christianity was not inherently violent but plenty of atrocious violence has been done by Christians throughout the centuries allegedly in the name of God. A pope threatened to burn Galileo at the stake if he did not retract a scientific theory (Galileo did it, to save his life). Another Pope apologized centuries later. The Catholic Church and doctrine is the same, the Bible is the same, the time and people are different.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 16:17
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
I don't think Europe is more inclusive of immigrants. I never hear racist or xenophobic comments here in the US, in Europe it's a constant conversation. We're a melting pot of cultures here. Even "white" communities are still only 60-70% white.
MikeL
03/24/2016 16:15
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Anonymous wrote:Why do conservatives post straw man questions like this?
Because that's the only argument they have.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 16:12
Subject: Re:Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Anonymous wrote:Hello, no. Europe is a way, way crappier place to be as an immigrant than the US. I've lived in both and can attest that in terms of opportunity, treatment, rights, etc. the US is way, way better.
Yes, there's a safety net and school is free. But there is a lack of access that non-native citizens face in Europe that doesn't exist in the US. Employers can discriminate on the basis of national origin in Europe. They can't do that here. Housing discrimination? Fine in Europe. Access to education -- terrible in both places, but at least in the US there's a glimmer of a shot of educating your kids because of civil rights laws requiring language access. Europe, just generally, in my view is a crappy place as a immigrant or refugee. And i say this as a Muslim woman.
The US is tougher in the sense that you have work hard to make a basic standard of living. You get the bare essentials in Europe. But in the US you can make much, much more of your life in terms of starting a business (like my family did) or getting an education (like I did). We are upper middle class and fairly successful. If we had stayed in France, I can guarantee our lives would have been much worse. That's why I love this country so much I literally work at the VA as a nurse practitioner. I love this country and helping its soldiers heal is the least I can do to express my gratitude.
Nice post, PP. Very sweet.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 16:06
Subject: Re:Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Hello, no. Europe is a way, way crappier place to be as an immigrant than the US. I've lived in both and can attest that in terms of opportunity, treatment, rights, etc. the US is way, way better.
Yes, there's a safety net and school is free. But there is a lack of access that non-native citizens face in Europe that doesn't exist in the US. Employers can discriminate on the basis of national origin in Europe. They can't do that here. Housing discrimination? Fine in Europe. Access to education -- terrible in both places, but at least in the US there's a glimmer of a shot of educating your kids because of civil rights laws requiring language access. Europe, just generally, in my view is a crappy place as a immigrant or refugee. And i say this as a Muslim woman.
The US is tougher in the sense that you have work hard to make a basic standard of living. You get the bare essentials in Europe. But in the US you can make much, much more of your life in terms of starting a business (like my family did) or getting an education (like I did). We are upper middle class and fairly successful. If we had stayed in France, I can guarantee our lives would have been much worse. That's why I love this country so much I literally work at the VA as a nurse practitioner. I love this country and helping its soldiers heal is the least I can do to express my gratitude.
Yes, there's a safety net and school is free. But there is a lack of access that non-native citizens face in Europe that doesn't exist in the US. Employers can discriminate on the basis of national origin in Europe. They can't do that here. Housing discrimination? Fine in Europe. Access to education -- terrible in both places, but at least in the US there's a glimmer of a shot of educating your kids because of civil rights laws requiring language access. Europe, just generally, in my view is a crappy place as a immigrant or refugee. And i say this as a Muslim woman.
The US is tougher in the sense that you have work hard to make a basic standard of living. You get the bare essentials in Europe. But in the US you can make much, much more of your life in terms of starting a business (like my family did) or getting an education (like I did). We are upper middle class and fairly successful. If we had stayed in France, I can guarantee our lives would have been much worse. That's why I love this country so much I literally work at the VA as a nurse practitioner. I love this country and helping its soldiers heal is the least I can do to express my gratitude.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 15:52
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Yep it kind of puts a hole in the argument that if only Trump/Cruz would use nicer rhetoric everything would be great.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 15:44
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Because it only take one or two crazies.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 13:31
Subject: Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because jihadists aren't liberal and have no interest in a multicultural society. So, you have that much in common with them, anyway. They, like you, have a hatred of cultural inclusiveness, banning guns, liberal do whatever you want values.
So, I guess you're more like a terrorist than you thought, eh?
I'm cool with whatever but when you got violence built in to a religion that's not cool
Islam doesn't have violence built into it any more than Christianity. It only takes a few nut jobs in any faith to misappropriate the teachings.
Yes Islam does and the way it is written spurs extremism. When did the last Hindu or Christan tertiary attack occur?
No response, of course. Interesting.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 08:51
Subject: Re:Europe is much more inclusive and liberal with muslims and immigrants why are they targeted?
Anonymous wrote:First of f all, they are closer to the Middle East and are a better target of opportunity.
Secondly, your assumptions are wrong.
They have more immigrants, but they are less successful at integrating them. In the U.S., we expect that the children of Muslim immigrants will be Americans AND Muslim with no contradiction. I had an argument with a German guy about how immigrants to Germany could never really be German and neither could their children. And Germany is probably better at integrating them than other countries.
A lot of Muslim immigrants to Europe are poor. A lot of Muslim immigrants to the U.S. are professionals and business owners. Professionals don't have time for that.
I agree with this as a Muslim American!