Anonymous wrote:In a competitive school market place - and that's what we have in DC, public, private, charter - advertisement and promises come with the game (annual budget = number of students * per pupil allotment). Mostly, that's a good thing because schools have to market themselves, brand, convince people and prove they're worth staying and getting involved. An established school doesn't really have an interest in badly misrepresenting its core offerings. A start-up is in a different boat. Its success critically depends on some wishful thinking. Exaggerated and hypothetical promises are a way to attract the required numbers of students to actually follow through, eventually. "Leave" (opt out, vote with your feet, shop elsewhere) is really the option the market offers you, with the idea that the bad player will then go "out of business" and that only the best are left standing.

I personally don't think this is entirely working out and notoriously inflated promises are a problem all around because education "markets" fail for a number of reasons. For one, we're neither able, nor willing to "shop elsewhere" the way we'd change a grocery store if we're disappointed in the products. Also, we're notoriously ill informed about what's actually happening. At best, when kids are a little older, we can rely on them to fully inform us; but mostly we get a very partial glimpse at it. Lastly, we won't know definitively how good our kids' education was until they're in college or the workforce.

Examples, please? I mean if they are notorious then you should be able to rattle off 5 or 10 no problem?

Where is the outrage for those schools that have zero % with a PARCC 4 or 5 and still get to call themselves schools? DC Navel gazers crack me up.

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Anonymous wrote:Misleading marketing to increase market share?

Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

My wish for the new year is for people like you to explain this argument. To believe your constant flow of trolling one would need to believe that all of us in HRCS are fools who have no idea that are kids are being duped. [SIGH]

We do. You have been duped into siding with political forces that want to privatize (to either carve out little enclaves or either to earn profit from or have freedom from adhering to state guidelines or ALL THREE).

Fortunately, DC is much more aware and more active in holding charters accountable -- and becoming more so all the time -- but there is little denying what charters are in a nationwide sense.

So, yes, those of you in DC who reflexively defend charters across the board are misguided and misinformed.

No clue from what useless think tank (or Teacher Union) you are writing, but I think you may have gotten confused and wandered into the forum on DC Public and Public Charter Schools. Stop and read that again; I'll wait. "What charters are in a nationwide sense"? I do not care about any grand conspiracy or the nature of charters across the country. I care about DC, and here in DC we have some great charters that afford many of us the option to have access to schools without moving to upper NW. Your political forces and privatization garbage doesn't fly here, since most charters are run by non-profits t hat operate one or two charters, not huge corporations. Your BS about holding them more accountable also doesn't comport with reality. The DCPCSB has always held them to account and actually closes schools.

In a way, though, I should thank you for your transparency. I've wondered for some time how you and your charter-haters seem to know so very little about the DC Charters and have so little perspective on the reality of the DC schools system. Now I know; you know nothing because you know nothing. Cause the forum is DC Public and Public Charter Schools DC Public and Public Charter Schools DC Public and Public Charter Schools DC Public and Public Charter Schools DC Public and Public Charter Schools DC Public and Public Charter Schools DC Public and Public Charter Schools DC Public and Public Charter Schools. Hoping repetition might help.

In a competitive school market place - and that's what we have in DC, public, private, charter - advertisement and promises come with the game (annual budget = number of students * per pupil allotment). Mostly, that's a good thing because schools have to market themselves, brand, convince people and prove they're worth staying and getting involved. An established school doesn't really have an interest in badly misrepresenting its core offerings. A start-up is in a different boat. Its success critically depends on some wishful thinking. Exaggerated and hypothetical promises are a way to attract the required numbers of students to actually follow through, eventually. "Leave" (opt out, vote with your feet, shop elsewhere) is really the option the market offers you, with the idea that the bad player will then go "out of business" and that only the best are left standing.

I personally don't think this is entirely working out and notoriously inflated promises are a problem all around because education "markets" fail for a number of reasons. For one, we're neither able, nor willing to "shop elsewhere" the way we'd change a grocery store if we're disappointed in the products. Also, we're notoriously ill informed about what's actually happening. At best, when kids are a little older, we can rely on them to fully inform us; but mostly we get a very partial glimpse at it. Lastly, we won't know definitively how good our kids' education was until they're in college or the workforce.

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Anonymous wrote:There is oversight in charters. If they aren't teaching kids, they will fail at state requires testing, if they continue to fail (worse the DC average), they will close. Meanwhile, I'm waiting for OP to describe what she means. Is it something serious or was she told that they get 20 minute recess and there getting 15. It could be a big difference. Until she chimes in, this post is worthless and baiting.

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Sorry typing in phone (*required and *they're)

You looked for a High SES DCPS school? Really ... And this thread is about charter misrepresentation?

Anonymous wrote:There is oversight in charters. If they aren't teaching kids, they will fail at state requires testing, if they continue to fail (worse the DC average), they will close. Meanwhile, I'm waiting for OP to describe what she means. Is it something serious or was she told that they get 20 minute recess and there getting 15. It could be a big difference. Until she chimes in, this post is worthless and baiting.

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There is oversight in charters. If they aren't teaching kids, they will fail at state requires testing, if they continue to fail (worse the DC average), they will close. Meanwhile, I'm waiting for OP to describe what she means. Is it something serious or was she told that they get 20 minute recess and there getting 15. It could be a big difference. Until she chimes in, this post is worthless and baiting.

Anonymous wrote:You can raise your concerns with the Board of Directors of the particular school and/or the DC PCSB if you feel you were truly misled or your student was mistreated.

But it's not like there is a guarantee. There isn't one for any public school and in this respect charters are no different.

You don't sound like a troll, OP, stick to your guns. Race-baiters using hackneyed snowflake terminology, please go away.

From what I've seen, charters, particularly the stand-alone/DC specific variant tend to be very clubby outfits, with little true independent oversight in the mix.

When we raised issues with the BoD and the DCPCSB we were told that we were the problem, because our philosophy of education wasn't in line with the school's, and our kid wasn't mature or well-behaved for his age. We hit the road for a well-established, predominantly high SES DCPS school the following year, and haven't had issues since.

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Anonymous wrote:Misleading marketing to increase market share?

Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

My wish for the new year is for people like you to explain this argument. To believe your constant flow of trolling one would need to believe that all of us in HRCS are fools who have no idea that are kids are being duped. [SIGH]

We do. You have been duped into siding with political forces that want to privatize (to either carve out little enclaves or either to earn profit from or have freedom from adhering to state guidelines or ALL THREE).

Fortunately, DC is much more aware and more active in holding charters accountable -- and becoming more so all the time -- but there is little denying what charters are in a nationwide sense.

So, yes, those of you in DC who reflexively defend charters across the board are misguided and misinformed.

Anonymous wrote:Misleading marketing to increase market share?

Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

My wish for the new year is for people like you to explain this argument. To believe your constant flow of trolling one would need to believe that all of us in HRCS are fools who have no idea that are kids are being duped. [SIGH]

Misleading marketing to increase market share?

Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

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Anonymous wrote:Troll? No, I actually was looking for advice. It is extremely difficult to find a quality school- let alone any school in the middle of the year. I don't like switching around schools on top of that. And no, I didnt base it on just literature. I actually am hoping that the school will improve. So, it's not as simple as leaving at this point.

What exactly are they misrepresenting? Curriculum? Bilingual approach? Behavior management? Outdoor time? Safety? Play based vs. other? Communication?

OP - there is nothing that anyone on this board can do to help you. Go meet with the school administration, escalate to their board and the DCPCSB if you think there's something really bad happening.

But it sounds like you simply have buyer's remorse and the only solution for that is to change schools.

Good luck.

Oh, don't buy their BS. Nothing about their original post is legit. Note the title: "Charter schools misrepresenting themselves". It doesn't say my kid's school; it's plural. And note the subtlety of the reference only to charter schools, as if whatever issues they have are specific to charter schools. And if they really wanted advice they'd be providing some sort of info about the issue presented, at least in their follow-up. Nope, this is a trolly troll starting the new year off where she began.

Yo shit be old, girl.

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Anonymous wrote:Troll? No, I actually was looking for advice. It is extremely difficult to find a quality school- let alone any school in the middle of the year. I don't like switching around schools on top of that. And no, I didnt base it on just literature. I actually am hoping that the school will improve. So, it's not as simple as leaving at this point.

What exactly are they misrepresenting? Curriculum? Bilingual approach? Behavior management? Outdoor time? Safety? Play based vs. other? Communication?

OP - there is nothing that anyone on this board can do to help you. Go meet with the school administration, escalate to their board and the DCPCSB if you think there's something really bad happening.

But it sounds like you simply have buyer's remorse and the only solution for that is to change schools.

Good luck.

schools change and there aren't always guarantees. I have a friend at a HRCS and class sizes in the school have increased 20% in the past two years. That kind of think is frustrating but schools have to make adjustments due to budgets etc.

In our case, I could swear that I was told that there was no screen time in the early grades and yet my kids watch short videos every day. I think they are just for 5-10 minutes so I'm not going to get worked up about it - but that definitely isn't something the school advertised.

Anonymous wrote:Troll? No, I actually was looking for advice. It is extremely difficult to find a quality school- let alone any school in the middle of the year. I don't like switching around schools on top of that. And no, I didnt base it on just literature. I actually am hoping that the school will improve. So, it's not as simple as leaving at this point.

What exactly are they misrepresenting? Curriculum? Bilingual approach? Behavior management? Outdoor time? Safety? Play based vs. other? Communication?