Anonymous
Post 12/26/2015 22:12     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hi OP here.

Inlaws have been inviting us for years and we have said no every time. TheY are flaky and "scared of babies". They've visited us quite a bit, and have improved a lot from the beginning. Literally every conversation I have with them coming to visit is brought up. This year cousins are flying in from Europe and it will be a full family reunion. They begged us to come, even offering to pay for tickets if necessary. Hints were dropped about poor health and last Christmases. Thus my husband and I felt forced to come and cancel on our local family. It turned out everything was a lie, including cousins flying over. They were told we were flying over and they decided to come because we were coming. My Inlaws made very detailed plans and have kept to none of them. They promised specific things to my kids only to bail and have my dh and I do them alone. "Listen grandkids, tomorrow we are going to go to X event that I know you've wanted to go for a long time!" The day comes and my FIL needs "me time" and "to go to the pharmacy". Later on we will hear about his boozy lunch and long nap. It's disgusting. I never expected it to be like this, and I have low expectations. SIL is horrified and is speaking to FIL & MIL. DH has already spoken to them but it hasn't done much. We are leaving in the next few days so it will be over soon. I'm sad for the kids but we have made the trip fun despite the grandparents.

Please note that I do not judge them for taking me time or anything. I judge them for lying to us about coming here (all medical issues were a lie they admitted, laughing), ignoring my kids, and spending no time with us (or their other guests) at all.

Curious how you all immediately blame the woman though.


I, for one, didn't "blame the woman." You started with "We" in your OP, and my response as "you" was as in "you and your husband didn't HAVE to cancel, so it's on you [plural]." Don't leave KEY INFORMATION out of your original post and then expect everyone to automatically "get" what's going on. Yes, the lying, manipulation, etc., was wrong--but you didn't mention that in your original post. So stop expecting perfect answers from imperfect information.


Your advice boiled down to "because no one forced you at gunpoint to show up, it's totally okay for your hosts to ignore you and treat your kids like garbage." Seems like blaming the woman to me.
Anonymous
Post 12/26/2015 07:56     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

Anonymous wrote:Hi OP here.

Inlaws have been inviting us for years and we have said no every time. TheY are flaky and "scared of babies". They've visited us quite a bit, and have improved a lot from the beginning. Literally every conversation I have with them coming to visit is brought up. This year cousins are flying in from Europe and it will be a full family reunion. They begged us to come, even offering to pay for tickets if necessary. Hints were dropped about poor health and last Christmases. Thus my husband and I felt forced to come and cancel on our local family. It turned out everything was a lie, including cousins flying over. They were told we were flying over and they decided to come because we were coming. My Inlaws made very detailed plans and have kept to none of them. They promised specific things to my kids only to bail and have my dh and I do them alone. "Listen grandkids, tomorrow we are going to go to X event that I know you've wanted to go for a long time!" The day comes and my FIL needs "me time" and "to go to the pharmacy". Later on we will hear about his boozy lunch and long nap. It's disgusting. I never expected it to be like this, and I have low expectations. SIL is horrified and is speaking to FIL & MIL. DH has already spoken to them but it hasn't done much. We are leaving in the next few days so it will be over soon. I'm sad for the kids but we have made the trip fun despite the grandparents.

Please note that I do not judge them for taking me time or anything. I judge them for lying to us about coming here (all medical issues were a lie they admitted, laughing), ignoring my kids, and spending no time with us (or their other guests) at all.

Curious how you all immediately blame the woman though.


I, for one, didn't "blame the woman." You started with "We" in your OP, and my response as "you" was as in "you and your husband didn't HAVE to cancel, so it's on you [plural]." Don't leave KEY INFORMATION out of your original post and then expect everyone to automatically "get" what's going on. Yes, the lying, manipulation, etc., was wrong--but you didn't mention that in your original post. So stop expecting perfect answers from imperfect information.
Anonymous
Post 12/25/2015 21:25     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

Anonymous wrote:Hi OP here.

Inlaws have been inviting us for years and we have said no every time. TheY are flaky and "scared of babies". They've visited us quite a bit, and have improved a lot from the beginning. Literally every conversation I have with them coming to visit is brought up. This year cousins are flying in from Europe and it will be a full family reunion. They begged us to come, even offering to pay for tickets if necessary. Hints were dropped about poor health and last Christmases. Thus my husband and I felt forced to come and cancel on our local family. It turned out everything was a lie, including cousins flying over. They were told we were flying over and they decided to come because we were coming. My Inlaws made very detailed plans and have kept to none of them. They promised specific things to my kids only to bail and have my dh and I do them alone. "Listen grandkids, tomorrow we are going to go to X event that I know you've wanted to go for a long time!" The day comes and my FIL needs "me time" and "to go to the pharmacy". Later on we will hear about his boozy lunch and long nap. It's disgusting. I never expected it to be like this, and I have low expectations. SIL is horrified and is speaking to FIL & MIL. DH has already spoken to them but it hasn't done much. We are leaving in the next few days so it will be over soon. I'm sad for the kids but we have made the trip fun despite the grandparents.

Please note that I do not judge them for taking me time or anything. I judge them for lying to us about coming here (all medical issues were a lie they admitted, laughing), ignoring my kids, and spending no time with us (or their other guests) at all.

Curious how you all immediately blame the woman though.


Sorry you've gotten so attacked on this thread OP. I can relate to your struggle. I get it. My inlaws are similar but also noticably favor the in town grandkids. After years of frustration and passive aggressiveness I have just stopped visiting. Life is better now. Make this visit your last.
Anonymous
Post 12/25/2015 00:54     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

Hi OP here.

Inlaws have been inviting us for years and we have said no every time. TheY are flaky and "scared of babies". They've visited us quite a bit, and have improved a lot from the beginning. Literally every conversation I have with them coming to visit is brought up. This year cousins are flying in from Europe and it will be a full family reunion. They begged us to come, even offering to pay for tickets if necessary. Hints were dropped about poor health and last Christmases. Thus my husband and I felt forced to come and cancel on our local family. It turned out everything was a lie, including cousins flying over. They were told we were flying over and they decided to come because we were coming. My Inlaws made very detailed plans and have kept to none of them. They promised specific things to my kids only to bail and have my dh and I do them alone. "Listen grandkids, tomorrow we are going to go to X event that I know you've wanted to go for a long time!" The day comes and my FIL needs "me time" and "to go to the pharmacy". Later on we will hear about his boozy lunch and long nap. It's disgusting. I never expected it to be like this, and I have low expectations. SIL is horrified and is speaking to FIL & MIL. DH has already spoken to them but it hasn't done much. We are leaving in the next few days so it will be over soon. I'm sad for the kids but we have made the trip fun despite the grandparents.

Please note that I do not judge them for taking me time or anything. I judge them for lying to us about coming here (all medical issues were a lie they admitted, laughing), ignoring my kids, and spending no time with us (or their other guests) at all.

Curious how you all immediately blame the woman though.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2015 21:33     Subject: Re:Last time I visit the In-laws!

Anonymous wrote:OP never said she was forced into anything. Maybe she spent last year with her family and decided to balance things out by accepting IL's invitation.


Reread the op. Next to last sentence, first paragraph.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2015 14:16     Subject: Re:Last time I visit the In-laws!

OP never said she was forced into anything. Maybe she spent last year with her family and decided to balance things out by accepting IL's invitation.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2015 13:48     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get this at all! Why did you change your plans?


I don't get it either. People don't act like this out of the blue.


Me three! OP, is some one dying? What did FIL use to convince you to ditch your plans? This makes no sense. Something big must be up, otherwise you would have said - sorry, you know our holiday rotation, we'll see you at X date.


+4
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2015 13:27     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

Anonymous wrote:I am as anti in law as they get but there has to be something more to this story. Yes, it sounds like a crappy visit but I also don't get why you agreed to change plans.

I'm sorry you're unhappy with what's going on right now, but something is definitely off. Who cancels a vacation just because someone asks them to?


Agreed! I'm always Team OP, but not this time!
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2015 13:18     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

I am as anti in law as they get but there has to be something more to this story. Yes, it sounds like a crappy visit but I also don't get why you agreed to change plans.

I'm sorry you're unhappy with what's going on right now, but something is definitely off. Who cancels a vacation just because someone asks them to?
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2015 12:10     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

They asked, you could have said no. All of you need to ignore/stop the emotional manipulation.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2015 11:24     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get this at all! Why did you change your plans?


I don't get it either. People don't act like this out of the blue.


Me three! OP, is some one dying? What did FIL use to convince you to ditch your plans? This makes no sense. Something big must be up, otherwise you would have said - sorry, you know our holiday rotation, we'll see you at X date.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2015 10:05     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

Anonymous wrote:I don't get this at all! Why did you change your plans?


I don't get it either. People don't act like this out of the blue.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2015 09:45     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but this is your fault. They did NOT force you to change your plans. They asked, and instead of saying "Sorry, we've already arranged our holiday, but let's get together in February," you ditched the people you HAD plans with, spent a ton of money, and then are complaining about people not falling all over you. Are you new? I mean, this sounds like it can't possibly be something that came out of nowhere. So you should have known they'd be this way.


Do you feel better now that you've acted like a jerk towards someone who needed a vent?
Well, they were telling the truth.


+1 OP, no one forced you to change your plans.


+2
This could have been easily avoided.
Anonymous
Post 12/24/2015 09:16     Subject: Last time I visit the In-laws!

Dear OP. It sounds like they are just overwhelmed by the little ones and they just can't handle the unexpected change. Can you help them bond with their grandchildren and see this as a challenge for you to help this be a successful holiday? Maybe one of you (DH or you) takes one child and does something with grandparents that will be a quiet activity while the other takes the other child and finds a way to get outside in nature and burn up a lot of energy and see if that helps turn the tide? Best of luck to you. Do your best to express the spirit of the season, I know you are so disappointed and angry and sad that it has turned out the way it has so far, but maybe can can help it turn around.