Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My sage mom, mother to seven kids told me never
to tiptoe around the kids. My kids can sleep anywhere. You need to get a clue.

It all depends on the kid, is what it comes down to. My siblings and I were raised in the exact same environment by the exact same people. My brother and sister could then and can now tolerate lots of light/noise/"imperfection" and sleep beautifully. I've always been a light sleeper who needs "perfect" conditions to get really good sleep.

You're not a great parent if your kids can sleep anywhere; you got lucky. YOU need a clue.

This! I used to have the smug attitude of the first PP, but my second child set me straight!

NP. I don't see why expecting people to care for their kids or to be courteous when kids are sleeping is so horrible. That's just basic awareness and manners.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The OP does make a good point in relation to this being a spinoff. The other poster wanted all the guests to conform to her idea of when kids should be in bed, but I imagine would not want to behave in a way that makes sure kids GET or STAY in bed.

The point is, both sides, let it go. Be respectful guests and hosts while trying to do what is best for you and your family. Just relax.

I'm the OP of the other thread. You couldn't be more wrong about your assumptions. I have two small children. I posted just one or two entries above about asking my FIL to keep it down constantly because he tells stories at full volume.

You are just sounding worse and worse. You want to micro manage everything: the time kids go to bed, how loud the adults can talk during the all important adult time. You really sound like you are not cut out for hosting or guesting, as you seem very bad at going with the flow of other's routines and personalities

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My sage mom, mother to seven kids told me never
to tiptoe around the kids. My kids can sleep anywhere. You need to get a clue.

It all depends on the kid, is what it comes down to. My siblings and I were raised in the exact same environment by the exact same people. My brother and sister could then and can now tolerate lots of light/noise/"imperfection" and sleep beautifully. I've always been a light sleeper who needs "perfect" conditions to get really good sleep.

You're not a great parent if your kids can sleep anywhere; you got lucky. YOU need a clue.

Anonymous wrote:The OP does make a good point in relation to this being a spinoff. The other poster wanted all the guests to conform to her idea of when kids should be in bed, but I imagine would not want to behave in a way that makes sure kids GET or STAY in bed.

The point is, both sides, let it go. Be respectful guests and hosts while trying to do what is best for you and your family. Just relax.

I'm the OP of the other thread. You couldn't be more wrong about your assumptions. I have two small children. I posted just one or two entries above about asking my FIL to keep it down constantly because he tells stories at full volume.

The OP does make a good point in relation to this being a spinoff. The other poster wanted all the guests to conform to her idea of when kids should be in bed, but I imagine would not want to behave in a way that makes sure kids GET or STAY in bed.

The point is, both sides, let it go. Be respectful guests and hosts while trying to do what is best for you and your family. Just relax.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kids are such light sleepers that they cannot sleep while adults speak in a normal indoor volume and walk normally in the house, you shouldn't be hosting visitors.

seriously!!

Pay attention. READ the thread before you comment. OP was initially being sarcastic in reference to another thread. She later wrote:
"But, I have had visitors who don't have small kids who do make *a lot* of noise late at night, walking heavy footed with hard sole shoes on the wooden floor, banging the bathroom door. My kids wake up at 6:30am/7am normally, and then the adults complain that they wake up too early."

No one is actually saying tiptoe and whisper, but yeah, adults need to be mindful and courteous when kids are in bed. There's a difference between normal conversation and loud laughter/loud story-telling, getting carried away and boisterous. There is a difference between normally closing kitchen cabinets and literally slamming cabinets because you're looking for something at your sister's house, and you're a bull in a china shop.

Other guests and hosts alike should be considerate when kids are sleeping.

Why are people so freaking pansyish? If you know someone well enough that they're a guest in your home, TELL THEM they're being too loud. Especially if they don't have kids, they don't realize it and aren't used to the crazy lengths those of us with kids go to to keep them asleep. "Hey bro, Johnny's sleeping - can you be a little quieter? Nobody wants to hear him hollering at 2am, KWIM?"

I'm the PP you are responding to. Not sure why you felt the need to bring a homophobic slur into the discussion. If by "pansyish" you mean "reluctant to speak up for oneself," then rest assured that I absolutely do speak up and tell people to quiet down when needed. This is especially true for my FIL, who seemingly cannot tell a story without speaking at a volume 10X higher than normal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kids are such light sleepers that they cannot sleep while adults speak in a normal indoor volume and walk normally in the house, you shouldn't be hosting visitors.

seriously!!

Pay attention. READ the thread before you comment. OP was initially being sarcastic in reference to another thread. She later wrote:
"But, I have had visitors who don't have small kids who do make *a lot* of noise late at night, walking heavy footed with hard sole shoes on the wooden floor, banging the bathroom door. My kids wake up at 6:30am/7am normally, and then the adults complain that they wake up too early."

No one is actually saying tiptoe and whisper, but yeah, adults need to be mindful and courteous when kids are in bed. There's a difference between normal conversation and loud laughter/loud story-telling, getting carried away and boisterous. There is a difference between normally closing kitchen cabinets and literally slamming cabinets because you're looking for something at your sister's house, and you're a bull in a china shop.

Other guests and hosts alike should be considerate when kids are sleeping.

Why are people so freaking pansyish? If you know someone well enough that they're a guest in your home, TELL THEM they're being too loud. Especially if they don't have kids, they don't realize it and aren't used to the crazy lengths those of us with kids go to to keep them asleep. "Hey bro, Johnny's sleeping - can you be a little quieter? Nobody wants to hear him hollering at 2am, KWIM?"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kids are such light sleepers that they cannot sleep while adults speak in a normal indoor volume and walk normally in the house, you shouldn't be hosting visitors.

seriously!!

Pay attention. READ the thread before you comment. OP was initially being sarcastic in reference to another thread. She later wrote:
"But, I have had visitors who don't have small kids who do make *a lot* of noise late at night, walking heavy footed with hard sole shoes on the wooden floor, banging the bathroom door. My kids wake up at 6:30am/7am normally, and then the adults complain that they wake up too early."

No one is actually saying tiptoe and whisper, but yeah, adults need to be mindful and courteous when kids are in bed. There's a difference between normal conversation and loud laughter/loud story-telling, getting carried away and boisterous. There is a difference between normally closing kitchen cabinets and literally slamming cabinets because you're looking for something at your sister's house, and you're a bull in a china shop.

Other guests and hosts alike should be considerate when kids are sleeping.

Anonymous wrote:If your kids are such light sleepers that they cannot sleep while adults speak in a normal indoor volume and walk normally in the house, you shouldn't be hosting visitors.

seriously!!

Anonymous wrote:My sage mom, mother to seven kids told me never
to tiptoe around the kids. My kids can sleep anywhere. You need to get a clue.

It all depends on the kid, is what it comes down to. My siblings and I were raised in the exact same environment by the exact same people. My brother and sister could then and can now tolerate lots of light/noise/"imperfection" and sleep beautifully. I've always been a light sleeper who needs "perfect" conditions to get really good sleep.

You're not a great parent if your kids can sleep anywhere; you got lucky. YOU need a clue.

My sage mom, mother to seven kids told me never
to tiptoe around the kids. My kids can sleep anywhere. You need to get a clue.

I'm the OP of the other thread, and I absolutely agree with this premise! All guests need to be considerate of other guests and of their hosts, not just guests/hosts with kids.

This is a both-sides-of-the-coin issue.

Parents need to:
1) Put their kids to bed at a decent hour so that the kids don't get wild/cranky/overtired and so the adults can have some adult time in the evening. A bit later than normal is fine, or even much later than normal is fine, *as long as you are actually watching your kids and not just zoning out while they run around and act crazy!*
2) Bring a noise machine/fan to help cut down the household noise
3) Ask others who are still awake to be mindful of the kids who are sleeping--there's nothing wrong with doing so. Conversations don't need to be shouted, doors don't need to be slammed, older kids especially need to keep away from the sleeping kids and keep it down.
4) *Get up with your kids in the morning.* You don't get to send them out on their own to bother the earlier morning coffee drinkers while you sleep in. Get up with your kids. You can ask Grandma to watch while you get a bit more sleep, but don't just assume that this will work for everyone.

Other guests/hosts need to:
1) Tone down the volume of conversations and laughter when young kids are sleeping. There is no need to shout when you are a few feet away from each other. If you want to be rowdy, go out to a bar or go to the basement/as far away from sleeping kids as you can go.
2) Bring a white noise machine/fan if you want to sleep in and don't want to hear little ones in the morning.
3) Understand that kids do get up early, so be flexible.

Anonymous wrote:Adults: we have small kids who are trying to sleep at their normal bedtime. When you are visiting, please be mindful of this. Tiptoe around, be very quiet when opening/closing the bathroom door, and please, whisper so my kids can get some sleep. You should also expect that my kids will wake up at their normal 6am time.

If your house isn't big enough / your kids can't sleep well enough that people have to whisper and tiptoe all the time, you shouldn't be hosting. Of course they shouldn't be banging around, but normal volume is not too muchto expect.