Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 21:36     Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Langley isn't any more special because a lot of it's base school kids go to TJ. These are mostly kids who do not spend a single instructional day in Langley. It has to do with the feeder system. As a PP pointed out, Carson splits pretty evenly between 4 HSs. If all of the Carson kids going to TJ fed to the same HS, that HS would have more the twice the transfers out to TJ that Langley has (80-90 kids a year x 4 years). So this list is meaningless.


The list is quite informative, at least for those who know the high school boundaries and feeders. As to your other point, if all the Carson kids going to TJ went to a single high school, that school would be far larger than Langley or any other public high school in the region, so that's a much more far-fetched notion to entertain.


what difference does it make? Base schools (as the thread title uses that term) don’t send kids to TJ.


Are you being deliberately dense? People know the HS pyramids and feeders. This indicates that, statistically, kids who live within the Langley boundaries are the most likely to end up at TJ. Or, looked at it from the opposite perspective, it tells you that Langley "loses" more kids to TJ than any other school.

It's fairly obvious the data upsets you for some reason. Chill.


But, high school pyramids don't correlate directly to the feeders, especially once AAP gets thrown in. Which is why you end up with screwy situations like Carson, which is a "super center" feeding into 4 high schools. Obviously, all the South Lakes kids aren't going to the South Lakes feeders-- that would be Hughes MS (not Carson) and schools like Sunrise ES, which takes lots of the Oakton AAP kids. Lots of pyramids are like this. So this doesn't give you a good picture of the quality of education that AAP kids are getting leading up to high school. So what the numbers tell you are that most TJ kids are in the Langley/McLean/Marshall area (the highest SES in the county) and the Western part of the County (SL/Chantilly/Westfield). Weirdly, chunks of Oakton also come from Herndon-- and this is all heavily affluent Asian. So this list says something about Fairfax County demographics, but nothing about the quality of the high schools-- unless you think Westfield is outperforming Madison, for example -- which is what this list would lead you to beleive.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 20:19     Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:most kids who get into TJ come from an AAP program, so you should be looking at which schools have the biggest AAP programs. Looking at “Base schools” tells you little.


I disagree, because the ES and MS AAP programs can pull from areas of varying sizes and distort perceptions as to the relative frequency with which students in different areas end up at TJ. Looking at the base high schools (which differ in size, but not as widely) gives you a clearer picture of the areas where most TJ students live.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 20:19     Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Inescapable fact. "Base" school tells you the geography of the students. The wealthier areas have smarter kids. Now we can debate all day the root causes for that, but you can't deny the correlation.


SES is a high correlation. It starts with educated and presumably intelligent parents (especially mothers), excellent prenatal care and health care, educational preparedness, ability to fix issues in their infancy......[/quote

well. not to be too controversial hopefully, but all you really need to know is which schools have the most Asians - those will be the biggest feeders to TJ. SES may have something to do with it, whites probably have higher SES overall and you don’t see them overrepresented at TJ.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 20:16     Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:most kids who get into TJ come from an AAP program, so you should be looking at which schools have the biggest AAP programs. Looking at “Base schools” tells you little.


It answered a curiousity.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 20:15     Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Inescapable fact. "Base" school tells you the geography of the students. The wealthier areas have smarter kids. Now we can debate all day the root causes for that, but you can't deny the correlation.


SES is a high correlation. It starts with educated and presumably intelligent parents (especially mothers), excellent prenatal care and health care, educational preparedness, ability to fix issues in their infancy......
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 20:13     Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
most kids who get into TJ come from an AAP program, so you should be looking at which schools have the biggest AAP programs. Looking at “Base schools” tells you little.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 20:12     Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would love to see it by base elementary school.


These reports don't get into that level of detail. Their intent isn't to track TJ "feeders" but to identify transfers that affect enrollment. So, for example, Langley's enrollment takes a big hit because over 10% of the public HS students in the Langley district are at TJ or another school instead. Conversely, over 14% of the enrollment at Marshall, which was just renovated but is now already over-capacity, consists of out-of-boundary students, most transferring for IB. The data provides some insight, however, as to the areas in the county that send the most students to TJ.


I didn't mean to see possible feeders. Just out of curiousity.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 20:08     Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Inescapable fact. "Base" school tells you the geography of the students. The wealthier areas have smarter kids. Now we can debate all day the root causes for that, but you can't deny the correlation.


At the other end of the spectrum, there are only five kids at TJ this year who live in the Mount Vernon HS district. The information puts some of the contrasts (some would call them inequities) in sharper focus.


merit has a tendency to do that
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 20:06     Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Inescapable fact. "Base" school tells you the geography of the students. The wealthier areas have smarter kids. Now we can debate all day the root causes for that, but you can't deny the correlation.


At the other end of the spectrum, there are only five kids at TJ this year who live in the Mount Vernon HS district. The information puts some of the contrasts (some would call them inequities) in sharper focus.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 20:05     Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Inescapable fact. "Base" school tells you the geography of the students. The wealthier areas have smarter kids. Now we can debate all day the root causes for that, but you can't deny the correlation.


Tell me where the most Asians live and I’ll tell you which areas get the most kids into TJ. Carson is very heavily Asian, for example.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 20:03     Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Langley isn't any more special because a lot of it's base school kids go to TJ. These are mostly kids who do not spend a single instructional day in Langley. It has to do with the feeder system. As a PP pointed out, Carson splits pretty evenly between 4 HSs. If all of the Carson kids going to TJ fed to the same HS, that HS would have more the twice the transfers out to TJ that Langley has (80-90 kids a year x 4 years). So this list is meaningless.


The list is quite informative, at least for those who know the high school boundaries and feeders. As to your other point, if all the Carson kids going to TJ went to a single high school, that school would be far larger than Langley or any other public high school in the region, so that's a much more far-fetched notion to entertain.


what difference does it make? Base schools (as the thread title uses that term) don’t send kids to TJ.


Are you being deliberately dense? People know the HS pyramids and feeders. This indicates that, statistically, kids who live within the Langley boundaries are the most likely to end up at TJ. Or, looked at it from the opposite perspective, it tells you that Langley "loses" more kids to TJ than any other school.

It's fairly obvious the data upsets you for some reason. Chill.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 19:59     Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Inescapable fact. "Base" school tells you the geography of the students. The wealthier areas have smarter kids. Now we can debate all day the root causes for that, but you can't deny the correlation.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 19:52     Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Langley isn't any more special because a lot of it's base school kids go to TJ. These are mostly kids who do not spend a single instructional day in Langley. It has to do with the feeder system. As a PP pointed out, Carson splits pretty evenly between 4 HSs. If all of the Carson kids going to TJ fed to the same HS, that HS would have more the twice the transfers out to TJ that Langley has (80-90 kids a year x 4 years). So this list is meaningless.


The list is quite informative, at least for those who know the high school boundaries and feeders. As to your other point, if all the Carson kids going to TJ went to a single high school, that school would be far larger than Langley or any other public high school in the region, so that's a much more far-fetched notion to entertain.


what difference does it make? Base schools (as the thread title uses that term) don’t send kids to TJ.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 19:41     Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Langley isn't any more special because a lot of it's base school kids go to TJ. These are mostly kids who do not spend a single instructional day in Langley. It has to do with the feeder system. As a PP pointed out, Carson splits pretty evenly between 4 HSs. If all of the Carson kids going to TJ fed to the same HS, that HS would have more the twice the transfers out to TJ that Langley has (80-90 kids a year x 4 years). So this list is meaningless.


The list is quite informative, at least for those who know the high school boundaries and feeders. As to your other point, if all the Carson kids going to TJ went to a single high school, that school would be far larger than Langley or any other public high school in the region, so that's a much more far-fetched notion to entertain.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2015 19:24     Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Langley isn't any more special because a lot of it's base school kids go to TJ. These are mostly kids who do not spend a single instructional day in Langley. It has to do with the feeder system. As a PP pointed out, Carson splits pretty evenly between 4 HSs. If all of the Carson kids going to TJ fed to the same HS, that HS would have more the twice the transfers out to TJ that Langley has (80-90 kids a year x 4 years). So this list is meaningless.


+1. you said it better than I did..