jsteele wrote:
What a strange post. Those are Turks, not Syrian refugees. Turkey is supporting many of the Jihadists who are the cause of the refugee problem in the first place. That's almost like blaming Palestinians for something the Israelis do.


Anti-western pro-jihad attitudes are wide spread among our Muslim allies in Turkey. But rejected by 100% of Syrians. Got it.

Pew research shows the vast majority of middle eastern muslims favor imposition of Sharia Law. But of course, this wouldn't apply the that bastion of secular liberalism that is Syria.

Studies show a vast majority of republicans want to impose their religion on all Americans. That's all we need more westboro baptist church members.

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Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, I don't get your argument. Are you saying the reason that women are oppressed, Jews are hated and gays are under fear of death in all middle eastern muslim countries has nothing to do with the beliefs of the people who live there? Or is it that you think these people will immediately shed this upon entry to our country?

I think you are trying to change the topic now that it is clear that nobody is buying what you are selling.

Well, the majority of Americans are buying what I am selling, and all I am selling is a healthy dose of skepticism of the wisdom of the U.S. importing large numbers of people who hold anti-western beliefs. I suppose I am biased in that I have a lot of Jewish friends and considering there is not a single Muslim majority country where jews can freely practice their religion. But of course, that is racist to point out.

Really?

Well, Muslima, it would help your point if you could name one.

It's the same list of countries where you can openly live as a gay man without harrassment.

It's also the same list where you aren't treated as a lesser human being for being a woman.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:The fans were chanting “?ehitler ölmez vatan bölünmez” (translated from Turkish): "Martyrs live forever, the country is never divided". Furthermore, Turkish soccer fans ALWAYS whistle to show their support. This is misleading and furthering division. Someone yelled "muslims suck" during a moment of silence for Paris before the Lions vs. Packers game on Sunday, you can find bigots everywhere

How do you know that is what they were chanting? And why would you chant ANYTHING during a moment of silence? That is not a moment of silence. Are Turkish soccer fans incapable of being silent?

Got it from a turkish friend. Apparently in Turkish, its not even called a moment of silence but a "Sayg? durusu" meaning respectful stand. This could all be a big misunderstanding

Hm. Let's hope. But I would not be totally surprised, if it wasn't. Turkey has their share of ultra conservative radicals. And they like that Daesh is killing the Kurdish people. And let's not talk about the Turkish government and their systemic decade long use of torture and other human right violations against any political opponents and countless journalists, etc. the list is too long.
But that's another topic.

turkey has been problematic for years including to those Turkish citizens who dont want to see it veer religious. Ataturk would be beside himself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:The fans were chanting “?ehitler ölmez vatan bölünmez” (translated from Turkish): "Martyrs live forever, the country is never divided". Furthermore, Turkish soccer fans ALWAYS whistle to show their support. This is misleading and furthering division. Someone yelled "muslims suck" during a moment of silence for Paris before the Lions vs. Packers game on Sunday, you can find bigots everywhere

How do you know that is what they were chanting? And why would you chant ANYTHING during a moment of silence? That is not a moment of silence. Are Turkish soccer fans incapable of being silent?

I heard multiple moments of silence at NFL games this past weekend. Lots of noise at Giants Stadium and slurs against Muslims in Green Bay. The one here at FedEx was very respectful, but I expect that many others were not.

It would not be news if a few Turks were talking during the moment of silence. Or yelled anti-terrorist slogans. The point is there is a huge swath of the muslim world that supports terrorism and believes what happened in France was a good thing. The fact this happened in the only secular (on paper) Muslim ally of the U.S. is - well - I suppose frightening, but not surprising at all for anyone paying attention. Opinion polls from the middle east show that a millions of people there support terrorist attacks against the west.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:What a strange post. Those are Turks, not Syrian refugees. Turkey is supporting many of the Jihadists who are the cause of the refugee problem in the first place. That's almost like blaming Palestinians for something the Israelis do.

Anti-western pro-jihad attitudes are wide spread among our Muslim allies in Turkey. But rejected by 100% of Syrians. Got it.

Pew research shows the vast majority of middle eastern muslims favor imposition of Sharia Law. But of course, this wouldn't apply the that bastion of secular liberalism that is Syria.

Syria actually is, or was, secular. I think it's a good bet that people fleeing jihadists are not fans of jihad. But go ahead and keep banking on stereotypes.

Wow..so was Iran before the shah was overthrown. Just because a government is Secular does not mean private citizens are not religious, or even fundamentalist. I agree many Syrian refugees are city folk displaced seeking economic opportunity and freedom and are probably comfortable with a more western government, but that does not mean they have all shed religious customs or traditional views. Have you read the accounts of gay refugees being hassled by non gay? One said they set his toes on fire. Also, as we have seen in Paris - the younger generation often veer traditional (even if its an invented notion of what that is) when they don't find their footing in the new society.. Oh, we saw that with the Boston bombers. Weren't they conflict refugees of some sort or other? Come here for a better life that they then rejected? Too many holes in the 'syria is secular' argument. And no one says people should not be religious. They should just not be bitter, crazed angry killers.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:The fans were chanting “?ehitler ölmez vatan bölünmez” (translated from Turkish): "Martyrs live forever, the country is never divided". Furthermore, Turkish soccer fans ALWAYS whistle to show their support. This is misleading and furthering division. Someone yelled "muslims suck" during a moment of silence for Paris before the Lions vs. Packers game on Sunday, you can find bigots everywhere

How do you know that is what they were chanting? And why would you chant ANYTHING during a moment of silence? That is not a moment of silence. Are Turkish soccer fans incapable of being silent?

Got it from a turkish friend. Apparently in Turkish, its not even called a moment of silence but a "Sayg? durusu" meaning respectful stand. This could all be a big misunderstanding

One would think that the concept of a "moment of silence" would be international.

as in shut your lips

Anonymous wrote:Were they saying "boo", "boo-urns"?

I love you.

Were they saying "boo", "boo-urns"?

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:The fans were chanting “?ehitler ölmez vatan bölünmez” (translated from Turkish): "Martyrs live forever, the country is never divided". Furthermore, Turkish soccer fans ALWAYS whistle to show their support. This is misleading and furthering division. Someone yelled "muslims suck" during a moment of silence for Paris before the Lions vs. Packers game on Sunday, you can find bigots everywhere

How do you know that is what they were chanting? And why would you chant ANYTHING during a moment of silence? That is not a moment of silence. Are Turkish soccer fans incapable of being silent?

I heard multiple moments of silence at NFL games this past weekend. Lots of noise at Giants Stadium and slurs against Muslims in Green Bay. The one here at FedEx was very respectful, but I expect that many others were not.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, I don't get your argument. Are you saying the reason that women are oppressed, Jews are hated and gays are under fear of death in all middle eastern muslim countries has nothing to do with the beliefs of the people who live there? Or is it that you think these people will immediately shed this upon entry to our country?

I think you are trying to change the topic now that it is clear that nobody is buying what you are selling.

Well, the majority of Americans are buying what I am selling, and all I am selling is a healthy dose of skepticism of the wisdom of the U.S. importing large numbers of people who hold anti-western beliefs. I suppose I am biased in that I have a lot of Jewish friends and considering there is not a single Muslim majority country where jews can freely practice their religion. But of course, that is racist to point out.

Really?

Well, Muslima, it would help your point if you could name one.

It's the same list of countries where you can openly live as a gay man without harrassment.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:The fans were chanting “?ehitler ölmez vatan bölünmez” (translated from Turkish): "Martyrs live forever, the country is never divided". Furthermore, Turkish soccer fans ALWAYS whistle to show their support. This is misleading and furthering division. Someone yelled "muslims suck" during a moment of silence for Paris before the Lions vs. Packers game on Sunday, you can find bigots everywhere

How do you know that is what they were chanting? And why would you chant ANYTHING during a moment of silence? That is not a moment of silence. Are Turkish soccer fans incapable of being silent?

Got it from a turkish friend. Apparently in Turkish, its not even called a moment of silence but a "Sayg? durusu" meaning respectful stand. This could all be a big misunderstanding

Did your Turkish friend explain away the very loud and audible chants of allah akbar? Maybe it was just April fools or done ironically in a hipster moustache way!

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, I don't get your argument. Are you saying the reason that women are oppressed, Jews are hated and gays are under fear of death in all middle eastern muslim countries has nothing to do with the beliefs of the people who live there? Or is it that you think these people will immediately shed this upon entry to our country?

I think you are trying to change the topic now that it is clear that nobody is buying what you are selling.

Well, the majority of Americans are buying what I am selling, and all I am selling is a healthy dose of skepticism of the wisdom of the U.S. importing large numbers of people who hold anti-western beliefs. I suppose I am biased in that I have a lot of Jewish friends and considering there is not a single Muslim majority country where jews can freely practice their religion. But of course, that is racist to point out.

Really?

Well, Muslima, it would help your point if you could name one.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, I don't get your argument. Are you saying the reason that women are oppressed, Jews are hated and gays are under fear of death in all middle eastern muslim countries has nothing to do with the beliefs of the people who live there? Or is it that you think these people will immediately shed this upon entry to our country?

I think you are trying to change the topic now that it is clear that nobody is buying what you are selling.

Well, the majority of Americans are buying what I am selling, and all I am selling is a healthy dose of skepticism of the wisdom of the U.S. importing large numbers of people who hold anti-western beliefs. I suppose I am biased in that I have a lot of Jewish friends and considering there is not a single Muslim majority country where jews can freely practice their religion. But of course, that is racist to point out.

LOL. You are hilarious. Let's not forget that the majority of Americans are pretty damn stupid. You don't know what Syrian refugees believe. I'm not even that much in favor of bringing in tons of refugees but your points are dumb. You do realize, of course, that Syrians have been immigrating to the U.S. for over 100 years? Have you ever been to Pittsburgh or an old rust belt area with lots of Orthodox churches? Invariably there are a lot of Syrian churches. But not just Christians have been immigrating, Muslims have as well. They could have taken over a long time ago!

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, I don't get your argument. Are you saying the reason that women are oppressed, Jews are hated and gays are under fear of death in all middle eastern muslim countries has nothing to do with the beliefs of the people who live there? Or is it that you think these people will immediately shed this upon entry to our country?

I think you are trying to change the topic now that it is clear that nobody is buying what you are selling.

Well, the majority of Americans are buying what I am selling, and all I am selling is a healthy dose of skepticism of the wisdom of the U.S. importing large numbers of people who hold anti-western beliefs. I suppose I am biased in that I have a lot of Jewish friends and considering there is not a single Muslim majority country where jews can freely practice their religion. But of course, that is racist to point out.

Really?