Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 10:55     Subject: Prep for an IQ test?????
Yes, there are some routine questions that are on the I.Q. tesst that repeat over and over.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 10:50     Subject: Prep for an IQ test?????
Yes, but not all people with good memory capacity are intelligent. Memory is a trainable, lower level skill. It is completely possible for someone to be great at memorizing but not be intelligent. A less intelligent person can be trained to memorize.

Intelligent people have good memories, but not every person with a good memory is intelligent.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 10:42     Subject: Re:Prep for an IQ test?????
All intelligent people have good memory capacity. If you have none, by definition, you are not intelligent or smart.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 10:21     Subject: Prep for an IQ test?????
I've met people who can memorize long lists of information but aren't actually that intelligent. Memorization is a lower level skill and can be trained.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 10:15     Subject: Re:Prep for an IQ test?????

I have never met intelligence without memory capacity (computer or human)
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 10:08     Subject: Prep for an IQ test?????
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You can prep for an IQ test. In an IQ test, there are a series of questions. If you memorize the answers you can prep. (or cheat). Note that this does not mean you are smarter. It does mean that you are dishonest.

Illicitly peeking at test questions and memorizing their answers is clearly cheating. This can't be compared to familiarizing oneself with the types of questions to be on a test. Regardless of your views on prepping, it does no good to equate the two.


If the questions being studied in advance are so similar that only a few words have been changed it is essentially the same as seeing the test itself.

Someone who has studied the questions on several practice tests is exhibiting a different kind of intelligence than someone who can look at a puzzle or problem for the first time and solve it quickly. It illustrates one area of intelligence to be able to study and memorize how to solve a type of problem; the person who looks at problem s/he has never seen before and solves it quickly and easily is exhibiting a different area of intelligence.


This. And this can be why certain cultures seem to emphasize memorization compared with creativity. In the US, we value creativity.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 09:57     Subject: Prep for an IQ test?????
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You can prep for an IQ test. In an IQ test, there are a series of questions. If you memorize the answers you can prep. (or cheat). Note that this does not mean you are smarter. It does mean that you are dishonest.

Illicitly peeking at test questions and memorizing their answers is clearly cheating. This can't be compared to familiarizing oneself with the types of questions to be on a test. Regardless of your views on prepping, it does no good to equate the two.


If the questions being studied in advance are so similar that only a few words have been changed it is essentially the same as seeing the test itself.

Someone who has studied the questions on several practice tests is exhibiting a different kind of intelligence than someone who can look at a puzzle or problem for the first time and solve it quickly. It illustrates one area of intelligence to be able to study and memorize how to solve a type of problem; the person who looks at problem s/he has never seen before and solves it quickly and easily is exhibiting a different area of intelligence.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 09:39     Subject: Prep for an IQ test?????
When DD took the WISC at GMU, they told me you can prep and how much her score could potentially increase if she prepped. It was not an encouragement to prep, more like saying it would "only" increase by X number of points (which wouldn't get her into AAP). From what the tester said, there were certain parts (where my DD was strong) that are not preppable. I had no interest in prepping, but it was interesting information. I had assumed you couldn't prep
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 09:38     Subject: Prep for an IQ test?????
Anonymous wrote:Yes you can pre for an IQ test. It is not a test of intelligence. It's similar to the sat.

I remember the principal telling us if it means that much to you, have the kids practice a bit. worked for us!
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 09:35     Subject: Prep for an IQ test?????
Anonymous wrote:You can prep for an IQ test. In an IQ test, there are a series of questions. If you memorize the answers you can prep. (or cheat). Note that this does not mean you are smarter. It does mean that you are dishonest.

Illicitly peeking at test questions and memorizing their answers is clearly cheating. This can't be compared to familiarizing oneself with the types of questions to be on a test. Regardless of your views on prepping, it does no good to equate the two.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 09:35     Subject: Re:Prep for an IQ test?????
Anonymous wrote:

So you are saying if I show you a puzzle, and tell you that the answer to the puzzle is C, that is the same as solving the puzzle and determining the answer is C? That is not honest. If you think it is honest, you have no ethics.






Bingo. Back in the day, the tests were kept under lock and key--which they probably are today. Unfortunately, there are people who have copies and have compromised the results of the test. Basically, they are engaging in fraud.

The integrity of the test was based on giving the kids information with which they were unfamiliar and testing to see how well the students solved the problems. The practice tests being prepped by some groups who are in business has invalidated the results. Consequently, the AAP program is also compromised.


Fortunately, other aspects of the AAP selection are harder to game...GBRS is nominally based on 1 1/2 years of observation, not one day.

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Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 09:31     Subject: Re:Prep for an IQ test?????

So you are saying if I show you a puzzle, and tell you that the answer to the puzzle is C, that is the same as solving the puzzle and determining the answer is C? That is not honest. If you think it is honest, you have no ethics.






Bingo. Back in the day, the tests were kept under lock and key--which they probably are today. Unfortunately, there are people who have copies and have compromised the results of the test. Basically, they are engaging in fraud.

The integrity of the test was based on giving the kids information with which they were unfamiliar and testing to see how well the students solved the problems. The practice tests being prepped by some groups who are in business has invalidated the results. Consequently, the AAP program is also compromised.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 09:09     Subject: Re:Prep for an IQ test?????
Anonymous wrote:
You can prep for an IQ test. In an IQ test, there are a series of questions. If you memorize the answers you can prep. (or cheat). Note that this does not mean you are smarter. It does mean that you are dishonest.


There are a hell of alot of dishonest folk in this world from pilots who prep by flying back and forth over the same flight pattern, to golf pros who prep on the championship greens the week before, to swimmers stealing Olympic gold medals at the games after 3 months of training back and forth in the Olympic Games host pool, to concert pianists who practice the same piece over and over until perfection and Carnegie. All these bastards have memorized the answers, patterns, courses, and notes. These are all lying cheating dishonest buffoons with no talent. They are all dishonest according to your Nobel Prize winning theory. None of this means they are better pilots, pianists, golfers, or swimmers. They are just all smarter than you


So you are saying if I show you a puzzle, and tell you that the answer to the puzzle is C, that is the same as solving the puzzle and determining the answer is C? That is not honest. If you think it is honest, you have no ethics.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 09:04     Subject: Re:Prep for an IQ test?????
Anonymous wrote:
You can prep for an IQ test. In an IQ test, there are a series of questions. If you memorize the answers you can prep. (or cheat). Note that this does not mean you are smarter. It does mean that you are dishonest.


There are a hell of alot of dishonest folk in this world from pilots who prep by flying back and forth over the same flight pattern, to golf pros who prep on the championship greens the week before, to swimmers stealing Olympic gold medals at the games after 3 months of training back and forth in the Olympic Games host pool, to concert pianists who practice the same piece over and over until perfection and Carnegie. All these bastards have memorized the answers, patterns, courses, and notes. These are all lying cheating dishonest buffoons with no talent. They are all dishonest according to your Nobel Prize winning theory. None of this means they are better pilots, pianists, golfers, or swimmers. They are just all smarter than you


Ironic but no denying those dishonest accomplished are our heroes.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2015 08:43     Subject: Prep for an IQ test?????
Yes you can pre for an IQ test. It is not a test of intelligence. It's similar to the sat.