Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 18:22     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
The "Nazi Gun Control" theory is a complete lie. The German laws passed in 1938 essentially DE-regulated many aspects of gun ownership and gun transfers. The Treaty of Versailles referred to above was in 1919 and had nothing to do with Nazisim or the German people "willingly voting to give up their guns," it was a function of the terms of surrender after WWI. Gun laws under Hitler were actually LOOSER than they were prior to 1938.

More on that: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

Furthermore, the notion that mere fact of gun ownership can prevent genocide or that gun control is associated with genocide is utterly ludicrous. Just look at the genocides in recent history:

The Sudanese genocide in Darfur - they had guns, it didn't happen because of "gun control"

The Bosnian genocide in Srebenica - they had guns, it didn't happen because of "gun control"

The Rwandan genocide - they had guns, it didn't happen because of "gun control"

Carson does not know history, and neither does Wayne LaPierre, who by all accounts appears to be the originator of this big lie about Nazi gun control. And frankly both of them come across as a bit unhinged with this stuff.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 18:17     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If only the Nazis had more guns, maybe some of them would have killed each other, by accident or because of personal grievances or whatever, and there would have been fewer Nazis as a result.

Sad.


Or, here's another one: If only Hitler had been accepted to art school in Vienna as a younger man, maybe he wouldn't have grown to be so angry and blame all of his personal failures on an entire class of people...


So he was a spoiled little progressive snowflake? A millennial before his time


He was also a moderately heroic WWI soldier, so your joke sort of falls flat.


Not really. The joke is on anyone who believes his 'evil' came from not getting into an art school.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 16:11     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:http://www.examiner.com/article/the-nazi-gun-confiscation-and-obama


BREAKING NEWS: Occupying armies disarm the countries they successfully invade. According to this article, this counts as "gun control."
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 16:07     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If only the Nazis had more guns, maybe some of them would have killed each other, by accident or because of personal grievances or whatever, and there would have been fewer Nazis as a result.

Sad.


Or, here's another one: If only Hitler had been accepted to art school in Vienna as a younger man, maybe he wouldn't have grown to be so angry and blame all of his personal failures on an entire class of people...


So he was a spoiled little progressive snowflake? A millennial before his time


He was also a moderately heroic WWI soldier, so your joke sort of falls flat.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 15:43     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If only the Nazis had more guns, maybe some of them would have killed each other, by accident or because of personal grievances or whatever, and there would have been fewer Nazis as a result.

Sad.


Or, here's another one: If only Hitler had been accepted to art school in Vienna as a younger man, maybe he wouldn't have grown to be so angry and blame all of his personal failures on an entire class of people...


So he was a spoiled little progressive snowflake? A millennial before his time
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 15:38     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:If only the Nazis had more guns, maybe some of them would have killed each other, by accident or because of personal grievances or whatever, and there would have been fewer Nazis as a result.

Sad.


Or, here's another one: If only Hitler had been accepted to art school in Vienna as a younger man, maybe he wouldn't have grown to be so angry and blame all of his personal failures on an entire class of people...
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 15:31     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-nazi-gun-confiscation-and-obama
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 15:30     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Its controversial because it isn't true. Minority populations and one minority population in particular could not defend themselves against the Nazi's because of the fascist, nationalist, jingoist sentiment of the majority population in that time and place. Whole countries with whole armies couldn't defend themselves against it and were taken over. Armed Jews would not have solved the problem that was Nazism. A completely ridiculous thing to have said and an entirely warped way to try to oppose gun control.


But one country did defend themselves, and the other countries as well, namely America. And they brought guns.


What? The U.S. was dragged into WW2 kicking and screaming. It did not want to be involved until it was basically forced. Don't pretend like the 2nd Amendment had anything to do with U.S. victory.


No, I'm not saying the 2nd amendment had anything to do with US involvement in WWII. I'm saying a country willing (kicking and screaming, but willing) to go in and fight stopped fascism. And people who give their rights away -- little by little -- make themselves susceptible to fascism.


These posts are sadly funny. No one but you seems to understand that the first step is to get people to willingly turn in their weapons. "Trust us...what could go wrong?" Then the pp who said, 'but the Jews could not get guns again' as if an afterthought.

Beware of a government afraid of the people
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 15:12     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Its controversial because it isn't true. Minority populations and one minority population in particular could not defend themselves against the Nazi's because of the fascist, nationalist, jingoist sentiment of the majority population in that time and place. Whole countries with whole armies couldn't defend themselves against it and were taken over. Armed Jews would not have solved the problem that was Nazism. A completely ridiculous thing to have said and an entirely warped way to try to oppose gun control.


But one country did defend themselves, and the other countries as well, namely America. And they brought guns.


It wasn't random homeowners with assault rifles, you numbskull, but a professional army.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 15:11     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
If only the Nazis had more guns, maybe some of them would have killed each other, by accident or because of personal grievances or whatever, and there would have been fewer Nazis as a result.

Sad.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 15:04     Subject: Re:Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:If only Czechoslovakia had guns...
If only Poland had guns...
If only Denmark had guns...
If only Norway had guns...
If only Belgium had guns...
If only France had guns...
If only Yugoslavia had guns...
If only The Soviet Union had guns...


How about googling "appeasement"
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 14:55     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Its controversial because it isn't true. Minority populations and one minority population in particular could not defend themselves against the Nazi's because of the fascist, nationalist, jingoist sentiment of the majority population in that time and place. Whole countries with whole armies couldn't defend themselves against it and were taken over. Armed Jews would not have solved the problem that was Nazism. A completely ridiculous thing to have said and an entirely warped way to try to oppose gun control.


But one country did defend themselves, and the other countries as well, namely America. And they brought guns.


What? The U.S. was dragged into WW2 kicking and screaming. It did not want to be involved until it was basically forced. Don't pretend like the 2nd Amendment had anything to do with U.S. victory.


No, I'm not saying the 2nd amendment had anything to do with US involvement in WWII. I'm saying a country willing (kicking and screaming, but willing) to go in and fight stopped fascism. And people who give their rights away -- little by little -- make themselves susceptible to fascism.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 14:00     Subject: Re:Ben Carson and the Holocaust
If only Czechoslovakia had guns...
If only Poland had guns...
If only Denmark had guns...
If only Norway had guns...
If only Belgium had guns...
If only France had guns...
If only Yugoslavia had guns...
If only The Soviet Union had guns...
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 13:48     Subject: Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Its controversial because it isn't true. Minority populations and one minority population in particular could not defend themselves against the Nazi's because of the fascist, nationalist, jingoist sentiment of the majority population in that time and place. Whole countries with whole armies couldn't defend themselves against it and were taken over. Armed Jews would not have solved the problem that was Nazism. A completely ridiculous thing to have said and an entirely warped way to try to oppose gun control.


But one country did defend themselves, and the other countries as well, namely America. And they brought guns.


Jesus.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2015 13:45     Subject: Re:Ben Carson and the Holocaust
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Its controversial because it isn't true. Minority populations and one minority population in particular could not defend themselves against the Nazi's because of the fascist, nationalist, jingoist sentiment of the majority population in that time and place. Whole countries with whole armies couldn't defend themselves against it and were taken over. Armed Jews would not have solved the problem that was Nazism. A completely ridiculous thing to have said and an entirely warped way to try to oppose gun control.
Exactly. What gun rights people miss is that preserving freedom is not just about a bunch of random people owning guns. What's far more important is social organization and the mobilization of resources and control over institutions. Obviously firepower could play a role but what would be better? A couple of your neighbors running out into the street to shoot in whatever direction they thought best or a unit of trained, experienced, and equipped combatants who knew how to work together and follow orders?


Of course! "Guns rights" people know that "What's far more important is social organization and the mobilization of resources and control over institutions," (hence the NRA), The Revolutionary War made all that very clear and the Bill of Rights is supposed to ensure that the people can organize and mobilize themselves. Carson isn't an idiot just because he believes gun ownership is part of these freedoms.

No the NRA is about selling guns. Carson is crazy. I can not believe how the liberals go crazy about Trump but give this nut a pass. The only if the Jews had guns they would not have been killed is a bunch of crap and historically false. Look at the uprising in the ghettos of Warsaw. They were armed to the teeth with small arms. The German army crushed and killed them with no problem.