Anonymous
08/11/2015 10:14
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
holistic admission is fine just like we used to think segregation was fine...
Anonymous
08/11/2015 09:52
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Discrimination by any other name is still discrimination.
It isn't discrimination to look beyond test scores because it's been demonstrated time and again that test scores have more to do with family income and parents' education than anything else. Even there, the scores aren't all that accurate because if they were you wouldn't get a different score every time you took the test. This is why the College Board now reports SAT scores as ranges rather than exact numbers.
Are you implying Asian students bring NOTHING but test scores? They are so one dimensional they bring nothing else?
Yes
I was being flippant...but truly do you think a multiple choice test measures mastery? Creativity?
How about we get rid of the SAT, ACT, SAT IIs, APs, GPA all objective measures and only go with essays, activities and interviews etc. Doesn't matter anyway, colleges admit whoever they want to admit. Lets stop pretending.
Of course colleges admit whoever they want to. Is anyone pretending otherwise? And why shouldn't private colleges admit who they want?
Because they take crap load of Federal money and thus subject to the Federal laws and the US Constitution which prohibits racial discrimination and guarantees "Equal Protection of the Laws."
Anonymous
08/11/2015 07:05
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I knew it was going to be written by an asian or indian american.
low and behold, i scrolled down to the end and it's an indian american.
surprise surprise.
Squeeky wheel gets the grease!
Squeeky wheel should take the red bus
I'm the PP that guessed it was an asian/indian american - for the record I support scaling back and getting rid of the ridiculousness of 'holisitc' admissions
Anonymous
08/10/2015 23:15
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I knew it was going to be written by an asian or indian american.
low and behold, i scrolled down to the end and it's an indian american.
surprise surprise.
Squeeky wheel gets the grease!
Squeeky wheel should take the red bus
Anonymous
08/10/2015 23:14
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Discrimination by any other name is still discrimination.
It isn't discrimination to look beyond test scores because it's been demonstrated time and again that test scores have more to do with family income and parents' education than anything else. Even there, the scores aren't all that accurate because if they were you wouldn't get a different score every time you took the test. This is why the College Board now reports SAT scores as ranges rather than exact numbers.
Are you implying Asian students bring NOTHING but test scores? They are so one dimensional they bring nothing else?
Yes
I was being flippant...but truly do you think a multiple choice test measures mastery? Creativity?
How about we get rid of the SAT, ACT, SAT IIs, APs, GPA all objective measures and only go with essays, activities and interviews etc. Doesn't matter anyway, colleges admit whoever they want to admit. Lets stop pretending.
Of course colleges admit whoever they want to. Is anyone pretending otherwise? And why shouldn't private colleges admit who they want?
same reason private companies cannot always hire who they want.
Anonymous
08/10/2015 23:08
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Discrimination by any other name is still discrimination.
It isn't discrimination to look beyond test scores because it's been demonstrated time and again that test scores have more to do with family income and parents' education than anything else. Even there, the scores aren't all that accurate because if they were you wouldn't get a different score every time you took the test. This is why the College Board now reports SAT scores as ranges rather than exact numbers.
Are you implying Asian students bring NOTHING but test scores? They are so one dimensional they bring nothing else?
Yes
I was being flippant...but truly do you think a multiple choice test measures mastery? Creativity?
How about we get rid of the SAT, ACT, SAT IIs, APs, GPA all objective measures and only go with essays, activities and interviews etc. Doesn't matter anyway, colleges admit whoever they want to admit. Lets stop pretending.
Of course colleges admit whoever they want to. Is anyone pretending otherwise? And why shouldn't private colleges admit who they want?
Were it this simple. Colleges, private and public, are influenced by government policies and funding, in one way or another, be it donations, tax dollars, whatever.
Anonymous
08/10/2015 22:57
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Discrimination by any other name is still discrimination.
It isn't discrimination to look beyond test scores because it's been demonstrated time and again that test scores have more to do with family income and parents' education than anything else. Even there, the scores aren't all that accurate because if they were you wouldn't get a different score every time you took the test. This is why the College Board now reports SAT scores as ranges rather than exact numbers.
Are you implying Asian students bring NOTHING but test scores? They are so one dimensional they bring nothing else?
Yes
I was being flippant...but truly do you think a multiple choice test measures mastery? Creativity?
How about we get rid of the SAT, ACT, SAT IIs, APs, GPA all objective measures and only go with essays, activities and interviews etc. Doesn't matter anyway, colleges admit whoever they want to admit. Lets stop pretending.
Of course colleges admit whoever they want to. Is anyone pretending otherwise? And why shouldn't private colleges admit who they want?
Anonymous
08/10/2015 22:21
Subject: Re:Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Holistic can ALSO mean looking beyond GPA perfection - if stellar scores, essays and recommendations and ECs suggest that a kid is really special and smart with lots of untapped potential, the school may take a risk here and there on a wild card applicant. All perfect scores and grades does not automatically make for an interesting applicant - that is my read at least on the "holistic" approach. A holistic approach makes no excuses for looking at the total package in each kid as it relates to the class as a whole.
Sounds like what Harvard used to say about Jewish students - somehow Jews are not "holistic" enough.
Anonymous
08/10/2015 22:16
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Discrimination by any other name is still discrimination.
It isn't discrimination to look beyond test scores because it's been demonstrated time and again that test scores have more to do with family income and parents' education than anything else. Even there, the scores aren't all that accurate because if they were you wouldn't get a different score every time you took the test. This is why the College Board now reports SAT scores as ranges rather than exact numbers.
Are you implying Asian students bring NOTHING but test scores? They are so one dimensional they bring nothing else?
Yes
I was being flippant...but truly do you think a multiple choice test measures mastery? Creativity?
So, just because they score high, Asian kids are not creative? I mean... Is that what you are saying? Seriously?
Anonymous
08/10/2015 22:05
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Discrimination by any other name is still discrimination.
It isn't discrimination to look beyond test scores because it's been demonstrated time and again that test scores have more to do with family income and parents' education than anything else. Even there, the scores aren't all that accurate because if they were you wouldn't get a different score every time you took the test. This is why the College Board now reports SAT scores as ranges rather than exact numbers.
Are you implying Asian students bring NOTHING but test scores? They are so one dimensional they bring nothing else?
Yes
I was being flippant...but truly do you think a multiple choice test measures mastery? Creativity?
How about we get rid of the SAT, ACT, SAT IIs, APs, GPA all objective measures and only go with essays, activities and interviews etc. Doesn't matter anyway, colleges admit whoever they want to admit. Lets stop pretending.
Anonymous
08/10/2015 21:38
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Discrimination by any other name is still discrimination.
It isn't discrimination to look beyond test scores because it's been demonstrated time and again that test scores have more to do with family income and parents' education than anything else. Even there, the scores aren't all that accurate because if they were you wouldn't get a different score every time you took the test. This is why the College Board now reports SAT scores as ranges rather than exact numbers.
Are you implying Asian students bring NOTHING but test scores? They are so one dimensional they bring nothing else?
Yes
I was being flippant...but truly do you think a multiple choice test measures mastery? Creativity?
Anonymous
08/10/2015 21:37
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Discrimination by any other name is still discrimination.
It isn't discrimination to look beyond test scores because it's been demonstrated time and again that test scores have more to do with family income and parents' education than anything else. Even there, the scores aren't all that accurate because if they were you wouldn't get a different score every time you took the test. This is why the College Board now reports SAT scores as ranges rather than exact numbers.
Are you implying Asian students bring NOTHING but test scores? They are so one dimensional they bring nothing else?
Yes
Anonymous
08/10/2015 21:34
Subject: Re:Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Can somebody please explain why people are automatically waving the discrimination flag around this term? Rightly or wrongly the process requires that these kids jump through hoops in terms of multiple admission requirements and assessments so that the admissions peeps can judge the "whole package". Any process that factors personality and "fit" is not exact. The process must either be completely impersonal and robotic or a crap shoot. It has been this way for years - so why is this term so offensive all of a sudden?
It has been offensive for decades and Asians has had enough!
Asian lives matter too!
Anonymous
08/10/2015 20:10
Subject: Re:Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Can somebody please explain why people are automatically waving the discrimination flag around this term? Rightly or wrongly the process requires that these kids jump through hoops in terms of multiple admission requirements and assessments so that the admissions peeps can judge the "whole package". Any process that factors personality and "fit" is not exact. The process must either be completely impersonal and robotic or a crap shoot. It has been this way for years - so why is this term so offensive all of a sudden?
Anonymous
08/10/2015 18:40
Subject: Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Holistic admission = legalized discrimination
Holistic admission = Illegal discrimination
OP here. Precisely.
What's going on is admissions folk are making decisions based on their own biases, as to who gets in and who doesn't. And they are inherently NOT qualified to do such at thing because what person A thinks is really important, person B doesn't give one whit about.