No initial indication that he was "on government radar" - which suggests they exercise restraint in who/how they monitor.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/chattanooga-suspect-mohammod-youssuf-abdulazeez-wasnt-law-enforcement/story?id=32505759&ts=true

Troubling though, that they were unable to stop this ahead of time. Too soon to tell if there was a failure to "connect the dots" as they say.

I do recall many warnings about these "lone wolf" type terrorists - and so far, today's attack appears to involve a single attacker.

In any event, I actually agree with you in this case: it is too intellectually easy to blame this on "inspiration from Isis" or Islamic terrorism." - at this point.

While there has already been a claim of responsibility from Isis, they could simply be taking advantage of the situation and may have had no contact with the perpetrator at all; time will tell.

But it should not take long for the authorities to find out the actual motive here.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His motives are not clear yet.

Since he is deceased, we must now await the results of the investigation; interviews, his online postings, overseas travel, etc.

Why is everyone rushing to judgement?

Because of his name.

I believe it's called "spin" - but you know all about that don't you.

Anonymous wrote:His motives are not clear yet.

Since he is deceased, we must now await the results of the investigation; interviews, his online postings, overseas travel, etc.

Why is everyone rushing to judgement?

Because of his name.

His motives are not clear yet.

Since he is deceased, we must now await the results of the investigation; interviews, his online postings, overseas travel, etc.

Why is everyone rushing to judgement?

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So a guy shoots up the church holding the confederate flag, and it's time to condemn the flag and anything it stands for. Guy shoots up someplace holding the Koran and it time to condemn just that guy, not the symbol he was holding and not what that stands for, seems reasonable.

Where did you see that he is holding a Koran?

If he was a practicing Muslim, he was holding one. Why do you defend him? Why do you remove my post when I question Islam being the "peaceful religion"?

If the Confederate is condemned as a symbol of hate, how does the Koran get a pass in the exact same situation?

What you are saying is that you don't know if he was holding a Koran. In fact, you don't even know if he was a practicing Muslims. Yet, you want to condemn an entire religion. Why don't you come back here when there are things that you actually know? You are probably a much more interesting person when you can write from a place of knowledge rather than a place of hate.

I'm not convinced his actions were motivated solely by the actions of Pam Geller - if at all.

I'd say the style of beard he is sporting in his mugshot and other photos is an indication he is probably practicing and religious, regardless of the DUI. We will find out what the motive was soon enough, I'm sure.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So a guy shoots up the church holding the confederate flag, and it's time to condemn the flag and anything it stands for. Guy shoots up someplace holding the Koran and it time to condemn just that guy, not the symbol he was holding and not what that stands for, seems reasonable.

Where did you see that he is holding a Koran?

If he was a practicing Muslim, he was holding one. Why do you defend him? Why do you remove my post when I question Islam being the "peaceful religion"?

If the Confederate is condemned as a symbol of hate, how does the Koran get a pass in the exact same situation?

Anonymous wrote:So a guy shoots up the church holding the confederate flag, and it's time to condemn the flag and anything it stands for. Guy shoots up someplace holding the Koran and it time to condemn just that guy, not the symbol he was holding and not what that stands for, seems reasonable.

No state government in the U.S. is flying the ISIS flag. If they were, I'd ask for it to be taken down.
I don't care if someone has a confederate or ISIS or Canadian or whatever flag on their personal car or in front of their home.

Anonymous wrote:So a guy shoots up the church holding the confederate flag, and it's time to condemn the flag and anything it stands for. Guy shoots up someplace holding the Koran and it time to condemn just that guy, not the symbol he was holding and not what that stands for, seems reasonable.

The Confederate flag is first and last a symbol of slavery. The South declared war on the United States to maintain slavery.

Read the Koran before you want to condemn it.

Anonymous wrote:So a guy shoots up the church holding the confederate flag, and it's time to condemn the flag and anything it stands for. Guy shoots up someplace holding the Koran and it time to condemn just that guy, not the symbol he was holding and not what that stands for, seems reasonable.

Where did you see that he is holding a Koran?

So a guy shoots up the church holding the confederate flag, and it's time to condemn the flag and anything it stands for. Guy shoots up someplace holding the Koran and it time to condemn just that guy, not the symbol he was holding and not what that stands for, seems reasonable.

I want to go back to this Geller/ISIS tweet issue. Here is Geller's page:

http://pamelageller.com/2015/07/4-marines-shot-dead-1-cop-down-in-multiple-terror-attacks-on-us-military-bases-in-chattanooga-isis-tweeted-warning.html/

She has two copies of the tweet. They are the same tweet, but one shows the timestamp at 1:34 and the other at 10:34. She has a link to the tweet as well and when I click that link, I get the tweet with the 1:34 timestamp. I am pretty sure her copy of the tweet with the 10:34 timestamp was made by someone whose Twitter settings have the timezone set for Pacific time. In that case, her claim is incorrect, at least as far as an advanced tweet is concerned. ISIS could still turn out to be involved.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scum of the earth. So glad he is dead. Hope they find and arrest any others who conspired with him.
I fear there will be more attacks like this one.
I hope our military conducts air strikes out the wazoo as an answer to this terrorist act.

A very similar attack recently took place in Dallas. However, the attacker was an American (and he had an armored vehicle). Did you immediately propose air strikes against the Dallas suburb in which he lived? Do you base all of your reactions on names or do you normally try to be a bit more thoughtful than that?

Not air strikes in the US. Air strikes against ISIS - in the Middle East once they know where his contact originated. And, they will find out. Of that, I am certain.
When ISIS tweets about the attack BEFORE it happens, seems that maybe they had something to do with it.

What timestamps does Twitter put on tweets? Here is the tweet in question:

https://twitter.com/K_H_O7777777777/status/621734561228177408

It is timestamped "1:34 PM - 16 Jul 2015" which is after the attack was launched.

According to this article:

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jul/16/breaking-shots-fired-tennessee-riverpark-chattanooga/314944/

the attacker was busted for a DUI three months ago. That would cause me to question his devotion to Islam.

True. But remember the 9/11 hijackers also did a lot of partying. I don't think devotion to the religious aspects of Islam is a requirement for terrorists.