Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 12:39     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
It's not really your friends' business, but there's a difference between civil marriage and religious marriage. In France, at least at one time, you had to have the civil ceremony first, then the religious ceremony. So they can easily support changes in the law to allow same-sex marriage without necessarily expecting the Catholic church to perform them.

"Lack of form" is a legal term in canon law, so your friends may be leaping to a conclusion. Does this worry your husband? If neither of you has a living ex-spouse it sounds like something that could be worked out pretty easily.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 12:27     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have not one, but two, Catholic friends who were horrified to find out that my Catholic husband and I are in an "invalid marriage due to lack of form". We were married in my Protestant church without dispensation from the Catholic church. One of them won't even speak to my husband because she considers him living in sin. The other mentions, every time he sees us, that we need to get our marriage convalidated so we're "really married".

But both are vehemently pro-same sex marriage. Can any Catholics explain why (some? most?) Catholics are accepting of same sex marriage, but consider my husband and I just live-in lovers? I know lots of Catholics pick and choose rules, but it seems strange to pick and choose rules specific to marriage (or any of subset of Catholic rules, but this is the one that affects me).


Now imagine if people like this were in high positions of power telling everyone else how to live and interpret Bible and teachings of Christ. ISIS, anyone?


Oh please

Comparing someone's words expressing a religious belief to Isis, which throws gays or suspected gays off the roofs of high buildings, films it and posts online is a ridiculous comparison and you know it.

Don't be stupid. You are hopefully smarter than your post indicates.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 12:22     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Anonymous wrote:I have not one, but two, Catholic friends who were horrified to find out that my Catholic husband and I are in an "invalid marriage due to lack of form". We were married in my Protestant church without dispensation from the Catholic church. One of them won't even speak to my husband because she considers him living in sin. The other mentions, every time he sees us, that we need to get our marriage convalidated so we're "really married".

But both are vehemently pro-same sex marriage. Can any Catholics explain why (some? most?) Catholics are accepting of same sex marriage, but consider my husband and I just live-in lovers? I know lots of Catholics pick and choose rules, but it seems strange to pick and choose rules specific to marriage (or any of subset of Catholic rules, but this is the one that affects me).


Now imagine if people like this were in high positions of power telling everyone else how to live and interpret Bible and teachings of Christ. ISIS, anyone?
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 12:13     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm in an invalid marriage as my husband was previously married. He's not Catholic so he's in not hurry to go through the annulment process. I still go to Mass but I don't take communion.


Good, you'd be breaking the rules of the church if you did - and turned away at the communion rail if the priest knew your situation. It's good that you know your place within the church and are not one of those people who approach the rail knowing that they are not in a state of grace.


There isn't a "communion rail" at Catholic church and Catholics do not refer to it in the manner that you are. ("Approaching the rail", "turned away from the communion rail" etc)

I believe you have posted that exact same thing in other threads about Catholicism so maybe tuck this tidbit away for future reference.


??? There still are a number of churches with a communion rail- admittedly most were ripped out after Vatican 2.

Get out more in your diocese- you'll see some.


"approaching the rail" may be an old fashioned way of expressing it, but the meaning is the same -- some people are not welcome to take communion in the Catholic church. Nitpicking about terminology suggests no substantive argument against the facts as presented.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 11:27     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm in an invalid marriage as my husband was previously married. He's not Catholic so he's in not hurry to go through the annulment process. I still go to Mass but I don't take communion.


Good, you'd be breaking the rules of the church if you did - and turned away at the communion rail if the priest knew your situation. It's good that you know your place within the church and are not one of those people who approach the rail knowing that they are not in a state of grace.


There isn't a "communion rail" at Catholic church and Catholics do not refer to it in the manner that you are. ("Approaching the rail", "turned away from the communion rail" etc)

I believe you have posted that exact same thing in other threads about Catholicism so maybe tuck this tidbit away for future reference.


??? There still are a number of churches with a communion rail- admittedly most were ripped out after Vatican 2.

Get out more in your diocese- you'll see some.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 10:32     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm in an invalid marriage as my husband was previously married. He's not Catholic so he's in not hurry to go through the annulment process. I still go to Mass but I don't take communion.


Good, you'd be breaking the rules of the church if you did - and turned away at the communion rail if the priest knew your situation. It's good that you know your place within the church and are not one of those people who approach the rail knowing that they are not in a state of grace.


Anyone can go up during communion in a Catholic church. You just cross your arms, bow your head and receive a blessing without receiving the eucharist.


That's for people who know they are not in a state of grace. Some of them, if they know the priest, know better than to expect communion when the priest knows they are sinners (e.g. using birth control, having gay sex). Others can go into strange churches and take communion even though they are not in a state of grace because they know the priest won't know about their sins.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 07:29     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Cradle Catholic. You have odd "friends."
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 01:05     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm in an invalid marriage as my husband was previously married. He's not Catholic so he's in not hurry to go through the annulment process. I still go to Mass but I don't take communion.


Good, you'd be breaking the rules of the church if you did - and turned away at the communion rail if the priest knew your situation. It's good that you know your place within the church and are not one of those people who approach the rail knowing that they are not in a state of grace.


Anyone can go up during communion in a Catholic church. You just cross your arms, bow your head and receive a blessing without receiving the eucharist.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 01:02     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm in an invalid marriage as my husband was previously married. He's not Catholic so he's in not hurry to go through the annulment process. I still go to Mass but I don't take communion.


Good, you'd be breaking the rules of the church if you did - and turned away at the communion rail if the priest knew your situation. It's good that you know your place within the church and are not one of those people who approach the rail knowing that they are not in a state of grace.


There isn't a "communion rail" at Catholic church and Catholics do not refer to it in the manner that you are. ("Approaching the rail", "turned away from the communion rail" etc)

I believe you have posted that exact same thing in other threads about Catholicism so maybe tuck this tidbit away for future reference.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 00:52     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Sounds like a question for these specific friends. I don't think we can presume to know how they think.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 00:01     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Anonymous wrote:I'm in an invalid marriage as my husband was previously married. He's not Catholic so he's in not hurry to go through the annulment process. I still go to Mass but I don't take communion.


Good, you'd be breaking the rules of the church if you did - and turned away at the communion rail if the priest knew your situation. It's good that you know your place within the church and are not one of those people who approach the rail knowing that they are not in a state of grace.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2015 23:30     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
That is really weird.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2015 23:07     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
I'm in an invalid marriage as my husband was previously married. He's not Catholic so he's in not hurry to go through the annulment process. I still go to Mass but I don't take communion.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2015 14:04     Subject: Re:Question for Catholics re: marriage
Anonymous wrote:You friends are looney!

My kids go to Catholic school. I would say at least 25% of the marriages are "invalid"... gross, who even says that.

Here are examples: Divorced and remarry, did not want to convert (Jewish, Buddhist, etc), eloped and never went back and did the sacrament of marriage...

How do you friends even know, who asks that question.



All Catholic schools care about is that you pay the tuition and are willing to let your kids take religion classes during school hours. Maybe the kids will grow up to be good Catholics. Meanwhile, the school can stay open.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2015 09:33     Subject: Question for Catholics re: marriage
Anonymous wrote:And you consider someone a friend who won't speak to your husband?


Beggars can't be choosers. But as I said, she's a friend in name only now.