Anonymous
06/02/2015 23:38
Subject: Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes PP we know who you are. How do you have the time for all this? Seriously.
Not the PP, but how does she have time for WHAT? Posting on a message board? This sounds like you want to shut her up since she actually knows a thing or 2.
This is a familiar voice. Do a search for common core and find that thread that has over 100 pages. There is a particularly vocal apologist for all things Common Core.
"apologist?" Don't you think you're showing your bias? Look, I'm new here, and don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other about CC, but your post seems to be really dismissive of someone who actually knows something about it due to their role within the school system. Why WOULDN"T a person who is knowledgeable about a subject want to discuss it? And since others are saying that there are misconceptions, maybe she wants to set the record straight on some things. But in this particular case, you look like you have an agenda by calling someone who came in here with factual information about Common Core and Kindergarten, and since it doesn't fit with what you like, you are trying to deflect by implying she posts too much. Not very nice of you.
Read her tone and sarcasm in the posts on this thread. Then you can read the hundreds of posts defending CC because her kids liked the PARCC.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 23:30
Subject: Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Anonymous wrote:Here's the WBAL story, and I still can't figure out what on earth they're talking about:
http://www.wbal.com/article/115161/21/study-less-than-half-of-maryland-kindergartners-are-ready-for-the-common-core-curriculum
What "Common Core statistics"? And Maryland could not have introduced the Common Core standards for pre-K three years ago, because there are no Common Core standards for pre-K. Bad journalism.
Easy enough to figure out. They test the Pre-K students to see if they are ready for K. They have done this forever. Now, though, Pre-K students must be ready to learn in the mind-numbing Common Core way.l
And the reformers absolutely want your 3 year old to develop "grit" and "rigor" so they'll be ready to be on their knees groveling for the third-grade tests.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 23:26
Subject: Re:Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Maryland began using Common Core tests in pre-K classes three years ago. These tests, according to WBAL, aren’t intended to measure how much the kids have already learned; instead, they’re used to measure if the kids are “‘fully ready’ to learn.”
Last year, the pre-K tests found that 83% of Maryland kindergartners, ages four to five, were “fully ready.”
The sudden drop in the number of “fully ready” kindergartners this year, however, already has many Marylanders worrying.
State officials have blamed the Common Core testing standards, stating that program developers changed the standards, between last year and this year, of what a four-year-old or five-year-old knows when he or she is “fully ready to learn.”
Anonymous
06/02/2015 23:22
Subject: Re:Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Anonymous wrote:
First of all, the are testing PRESCHOOLERS for K readiness. This has always happened. Where have you people been? The problem now is the standards are ramped up because of Crappy Core.
And for the person who says they aren't testing K -- I call bullshit. They are prepping them in K-2 so they'll be all "rigor" ready for the soul crushing third grade tests.
I didn't say they don't test Kindergarteners. I said there are no "Common Core tests" in Kindergarten.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 23:20
Subject: Re:Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
First of all, the are testing PRESCHOOLERS for K readiness. This has always happened. Where have you people been? The problem now is the standards are ramped up because of Crappy Core.
And for the person who says they aren't testing K -- I call bullshit. They are prepping them in K-2 so they'll be all "rigor" ready for the soul crushing third grade tests.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 22:53
Subject: Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Haven't read all the posts so forgive me if anyone has suggested this. Why hasn't there been a March on Washington to make it clear common core stinks,kids are tested way too much and we will not stand for this anymore. We could take our kids out of school to join the protest.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 22:49
Subject: Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Here's the WBAL story, and I still can't figure out what on earth they're talking about:
http://www.wbal.com/article/115161/21/study-less-than-half-of-maryland-kindergartners-are-ready-for-the-common-core-curriculum
What "Common Core statistics"? And Maryland could not have introduced the Common Core standards for pre-K three years ago, because there are no Common Core standards for pre-K. Bad journalism.
http://www.wbal.com/article/115161/21/study-less-than-half-of-maryland-kindergartners-are-ready-for-the-common-core-curriculum
What "Common Core statistics"? And Maryland could not have introduced the Common Core standards for pre-K three years ago, because there are no Common Core standards for pre-K. Bad journalism.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 22:46
Subject: Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Anonymous wrote:http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-education-standards-20150601-story.html
The Common Core can't speed up child development
Recent evaluations of the state's preschoolers have determined that only 47 percent are ready for kindergarten, compared to 83 percent judged ready last year. This drastic drop isn't the result of an abrupt, catastrophic decline in the cognitive abilities of our children. Instead it results from a re-definition of kindergarten readiness, which now means being able to succeed academically at a level far beyond anything expected in the past. For example, a child entering kindergarten is now expected to know the difference between informative/explanatory writing and opinion writing. The concern is that preschoolers without that knowledge will not succeed at meeting the new higher-level Common-Core standards. However, I think a more pressing concern is: Why do we have educational standards that are not aligned with even the most basic facts of human development? Clearly these test results show that the problem is with the standards, not the children.
This man is a physics professor, and yet he doesn't provide basic information like what the evaluations he's talking about were, when they took place (besides "recently"), what they were testing, and whom they were testing. He's also making a basic factual error, in that the Common Core standards do not say anything about what a child is supposed to know at the beginning of the year; only at the end of the year. This doesn't inspire confidence in me.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 22:40
Subject: Re:Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Anonymous wrote:Well, what do you expect with K standards when there were not any early childhood teachers on the committees that developed the standards. NONE! The committees had few teachers on them and none from early childhood. There were not any early childhood experts either. Standards were written mostly by college professors and state level "experts" with little experience in elementary education.
Oh no, not this again. There are already at least three separate recent 100+ page threads on this forum where the "there were no early childhood teachers on the committees" contention is discussed ad nauseam, over and over and over again. Isn't that enough?
Anonymous
06/02/2015 22:38
Subject: Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Anonymous wrote:
According to Common Core testing statistics, which were just released on May 19, less than half of Maryland’s kindergartners are actually ready to take the Common Core tests that schools are required to use as an assessment tool.
The Capital Gazette and WBAL 1090 have reported that only 47% of Maryland kindergartners have the basic skills needed in math, language, and literacy in order to understand the Common Core tests for their age level.
What "Common Core testing statistics"? What "Common Core tests" are schools required to use for kindergarteners?
There are tests aligned to the Common Core standards, which Maryland gives to fulfill the testing requirements of the federal No Child Left Behind Act of 2001. But those tests don't start until third grade.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 22:12
Subject: Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes PP we know who you are. How do you have the time for all this? Seriously.
Not the PP, but how does she have time for WHAT? Posting on a message board? This sounds like you want to shut her up since she actually knows a thing or 2.
This is a familiar voice. Do a search for common core and find that thread that has over 100 pages. There is a particularly vocal apologist for all things Common Core.
"apologist?" Don't you think you're showing your bias? Look, I'm new here, and don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other about CC, but your post seems to be really dismissive of someone who actually knows something about it due to their role within the school system. Why WOULDN"T a person who is knowledgeable about a subject want to discuss it? And since others are saying that there are misconceptions, maybe she wants to set the record straight on some things. But in this particular case, you look like you have an agenda by calling someone who came in here with factual information about Common Core and Kindergarten, and since it doesn't fit with what you like, you are trying to deflect by implying she posts too much. Not very nice of you.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 22:01
Subject: Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes PP we know who you are. How do you have the time for all this? Seriously.
Not the PP, but how does she have time for WHAT? Posting on a message board? This sounds like you want to shut her up since she actually knows a thing or 2.
This is a familiar voice. Do a search for common core and find that thread that has over 100 pages. There is a particularly vocal apologist for all things Common Core.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 21:46
Subject: Re:Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
There are no CC standards for the beginning of the school year, ie, Kers are expected to know xyz at the beginning of the year. The standards are for what a student should know by the *end* of the grade, not the beginning.
"Informational text" can mean reading a level 1 book about butterflies and understanding what the child just read. Again, they don't expect this by the beginning of K. In MCPS, the expected reading level by end of K is a level 4.
When you read the CC standards for K, it can seem daunting. But, if you break it down to what it really means for a K, it's not all that unreasonable. However, I do understand that for kids who come into K with no academic based PreK or exposure to books at home, reaching the CC standards by the end of K can be much more difficult.
"Informational text" can mean reading a level 1 book about butterflies and understanding what the child just read. Again, they don't expect this by the beginning of K. In MCPS, the expected reading level by end of K is a level 4.
When you read the CC standards for K, it can seem daunting. But, if you break it down to what it really means for a K, it's not all that unreasonable. However, I do understand that for kids who come into K with no academic based PreK or exposure to books at home, reaching the CC standards by the end of K can be much more difficult.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 21:35
Subject: Re:Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Anonymous wrote:Wait, you don't say? Misinformation and lies about Common Core? NEVAH!!!
(I'm kidding, I have heard a lot of nuttery as well).
I have seen people say that Common Core was developed to tear families apart. I actually thought the person was kidding, but they weren't.
Anonymous
06/02/2015 21:34
Subject: Common Core: Your preschoolers are too dumb for kindergarten
Anonymous wrote:Yes PP we know who you are. How do you have the time for all this? Seriously.
Not the PP, but how does she have time for WHAT? Posting on a message board? This sounds like you want to shut her up since she actually knows a thing or 2.