Anonymous
05/29/2015 22:14
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:IMO, I don't think greatx2 NA should qualify. That makes you like 1/8? At that point, you don't even look NA.
My great-great-grandparents walked from Tennessee to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears, a forced march instigated by the US Government in which their property was seized and they were made into internal refugees, put in concentration camps, then forced to march a thousand miles, which led to the death of a third of the tribe. It was genocide. If I got a slight admissions advantage because of my native American ancestry (my family has documented our genealogy and registered as Cherokee with the tribe in Tahlequah), I'm not going to feel any guilt.
And you probably wouldn't think my ancestors "looked NA" either....the east coast tribes have intermarried with Europeans since the 1500s and many Cherokee have blue eyes and light skin.
Yes, you will get admissions preference. Because these great-great-grandchildren are working on overcoming serious obstacles with regard to their educations.
Anonymous
05/29/2015 20:59
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
It is a political classification. Tribes have the right to determine their own membership. As a PP mentioned, sometimes that is 1/32, sometimes that is having an ancestor listed on certain membership rolls. Typically, it is 1/4 "blood quantum." Sometimes, a person must have been born on the Tribe's reservation to be a member.
To the "1/32 doesn't even look Indian" PP, I assume you mean "look like what I think a Plains Indian circa 1860 looks like," which of course would be a much more accurate and reasonable standard for membership. Maybe some Tribes will adopt it as a membership criterion.
As to benefits, it is kind of offensive to ask Indians what they "get." There are some pretty broad misconceptions about about what Indians "get." I am sure it is far, far less than whatever it is you are imagining. Some tribal members get large monthly or annual per capita payments from gaming or other tribal revenues (such as oil and gas), but I assure you, this is not the norm. Tribes are governments and use revenue to provide services to their members, purchase land, develop economic opportunities, develop environmental and other regulations and run courts; you know, like governments everywhere.
With regard to advantages in higher education, it may provide an admissions advantage in that some schools consider tribal members to add diversity to their student bodies. Whether and why an educational institution values diversity in its student body is a different topic. Merely checking the "Native American" box on a form does not confer tribal membership and likely provides little to no benefit to anyone.
To the "1/32 doesn't even look Indian" PP, I assume you mean "look like what I think a Plains Indian circa 1860 looks like," which of course would be a much more accurate and reasonable standard for membership. Maybe some Tribes will adopt it as a membership criterion.
As to benefits, it is kind of offensive to ask Indians what they "get." There are some pretty broad misconceptions about about what Indians "get." I am sure it is far, far less than whatever it is you are imagining. Some tribal members get large monthly or annual per capita payments from gaming or other tribal revenues (such as oil and gas), but I assure you, this is not the norm. Tribes are governments and use revenue to provide services to their members, purchase land, develop economic opportunities, develop environmental and other regulations and run courts; you know, like governments everywhere.
With regard to advantages in higher education, it may provide an admissions advantage in that some schools consider tribal members to add diversity to their student bodies. Whether and why an educational institution values diversity in its student body is a different topic. Merely checking the "Native American" box on a form does not confer tribal membership and likely provides little to no benefit to anyone.
Anonymous
05/29/2015 16:55
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:IMO, I don't think greatx2 NA should qualify. That makes you like 1/8? At that point, you don't even look NA.
The criteria vary from tribe to tribe. Some require 1/2 for membership, some only 1/32. Greatx2 is 1/16. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
But, as OP asked, qualify for WHAT?
My daughter is 1/32 Blackfoot but her grandparents weren't listed on the tribal rolls so she gets nada if there's something to get.
Anonymous
05/29/2015 16:13
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
Anonymous wrote:in order to determine the correct PC term of the moment, you have to consider your location. In Canada, they are referred to as First Nations. Sometimes they are also referred to as aboriginal peoples. For a hot second, the correct term was Indiginous Peoples. Any use of the word Indian to describe these people is considered pejorative.
Not exactly sure what the term is at the moment in the US. I do know that you are not supposed to ask: Casino Indian or Slurpee Indian? That is definitely not ok.
Why yes, different cultures and societies do often use different words, and different groups of people in different places do often have different names for themselves. Both of those things are well known.
My suggestion: make your best sincere informed guess, and if somebody who knows what they're talking about corrects you, then accept the correction graciously rather than defensively (or passive-aggressively).
Anonymous
05/29/2015 16:00
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
Anonymous wrote:IMO, I don't think greatx2 NA should qualify. That makes you like 1/8? At that point, you don't even look NA.
My great-great-grandparents walked from Tennessee to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears, a forced march instigated by the US Government in which their property was seized and they were made into internal refugees, put in concentration camps, then forced to march a thousand miles, which led to the death of a third of the tribe. It was genocide. If I got a slight admissions advantage because of my native American ancestry (my family has documented our genealogy and registered as Cherokee with the tribe in Tahlequah), I'm not going to feel any guilt.
And you probably wouldn't think my ancestors "looked NA" either....the east coast tribes have intermarried with Europeans since the 1500s and many Cherokee have blue eyes and light skin.
Anonymous
05/29/2015 15:45
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Native Americans and American Indians can both be used.
"Native American identity in the United States is an evolving topic based on the struggle to define "Native American" or "(American) Indian" both for people who consider themselves Native American and for people who do not"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_identity_in_the_United_States
Native Americans and American Indians can both be used.
"Native American identity in the United States is an evolving topic based on the struggle to define "Native American" or "(American) Indian" both for people who consider themselves Native American and for people who do not"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_identity_in_the_United_States
Anonymous
05/29/2015 15:40
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
in order to determine the correct PC term of the moment, you have to consider your location. In Canada, they are referred to as First Nations. Sometimes they are also referred to as aboriginal peoples. For a hot second, the correct term was Indiginous Peoples. Any use of the word Indian to describe these people is considered pejorative.
Not exactly sure what the term is at the moment in the US. I do know that you are not supposed to ask: Casino Indian or Slurpee Indian? That is definitely not ok.
Not exactly sure what the term is at the moment in the US. I do know that you are not supposed to ask: Casino Indian or Slurpee Indian? That is definitely not ok.
Anonymous
05/29/2015 15:35
Subject: Re:What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
Native Americans is the right word. Columbus is long dead.
Anonymous
05/29/2015 15:35
Subject: Re:What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
The correct term for "native American" is Indian. Or, maybe "American Indian."
The term "native American" is politically incorrect. Please don't use it.
I swear the PC term used to be native American...now it has switched back and is a bad thing to say? Who can keep up.
Anonymous
05/29/2015 15:30
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
Well the entire world considers "India Indians", drum roll please..... Indians!
Not understanding why there is so much angst due to that fact. If you just say "Indian", expect to get questions regarding clarification. No need to get so upset.
Anonymous
05/29/2015 15:23
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
Anonymous wrote:You mean Native American or Indian from India the country?
The politically correct and official term is "American Indian" per the bureau of Indian Affairs. The Government considers India Indians "Asians".
Anonymous
05/29/2015 14:29
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
Anonymous wrote:If you apply to a public school in your state and identify yourself as Native American, Oklahoma State admits you instead.
Lol, but also
Anonymous
05/29/2015 14:14
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:IMO, I don't think greatx2 NA should qualify. That makes you like 1/8? At that point, you don't even look NA.
The criteria vary from tribe to tribe. Some require 1/2 for membership, some only 1/32. Greatx2 is 1/16. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
But, as OP asked, qualify for WHAT?
If you're 1/32 native american it helps to qualify you for running for senator of Massachusetts
Anonymous
05/29/2015 11:03
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
PC police have arrived
Anonymous
05/29/2015 08:43
Subject: What kind of perks does Indian heritage give you at schools?
Anonymous wrote:You mean Native American or Indian from India the country?
The correct term for "native American" is Indian. Or, maybe "American Indian."
The term "native American" is politically incorrect. Please don't use it.