OP, I hate to say it, but it really sounds like you're looking for the diagnosis of ADHD to excuse the scores. I'm not going to say there isn't something off with the scores, but you may be barking up the wrong tree. My DD does not have an official diagnosis of ADHD yet after taking the WISC, the psychologist said that DC's behavior and results were strongly indicative of it. The psychologist indicated that, among other things, DD was extremely fidgety throughout the duration of the test - at one point she was apparently laying partially through the arms of the chair she was supposed to be sitting in, partially on a window sill, partially on the desk, and still continued with the test. Honestly, I can't picture how this was possible (I giggle every time I try), but given the source if the information, I have no doubt that its true. That being said, the psychologist was extremely confident in the score, described the situation accurately in the report, and DD was accepted to AAP (keep in mind that since there is no official diagnosis I couldn't include any reference to the possibility of ADHD in the application). The statement that the scores were 90s vs. 30s it what really makes me think there is something strange (other than ADHD) at play here; based on what you've said, I'd be more inclined to believe there was a problem with the way the test was administered. Despite DD's extraordinary fidgeting, question asking, and various other attempts to "self-sabotage," all scores ranged from the 94th-99.7th percentile.

If you want an honest answer... I would not bother with the NNAT. They will give the 2nd grade version and will probably do about the same as the 1st grade. You should make sure your child is qualified for level 3 services. The score the NEEDS to be higher is the GBRS. I would wait until next year, re take the CogAT and re parent refer in 3rd grade. A year of growth can do wonders.

^Not that 2E = wiggly test takers. I really didn't mean to sound so jerky, sorry.

Anonymous wrote:OP, I know it's dissapointing that dc didn't get in, but it seems as though you are hoping that your dc's ADHD will allow for admittance with lower scores. There are a lot of kids with ADHD in AAP, but they usually have high scores, especially on the WISC.

+1. The 2E distinction doesn't override scores. Otherwise wouldn't all wiggly 2nd graders be given the benefit of the doubt that their testing suffered and be given allowances.

OP, I know it's dissapointing that dc didn't get in, but it seems as though you are hoping that your dc's ADHD will allow for admittance with lower scores. There are a lot of kids with ADHD in AAP, but they usually have high scores, especially on the WISC.

Op it sounds like tests and people are indicating AAP is not a good fit for DS for whatever reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok you knew this was coming.... Who has information on the AAP appeals process? What worked for you? Does anyone know where I can get a Naglieri re-test? GMU doesn't offer them this time of year. DC was diagnosed with ADHD in the middle of all this so we think we need to retest him. WISC score is very high but wasn't enough apparently.

If the WISC was not high enough, I am not sure a Naglieri score will help. Did you include the doctor's evaluation report/diagnosis in with the original screening file? If not, I would offer that as new information. You may also want to consider the Stanford-Binet.

I'm OP. The WISC was said to be taken with a grain of salt because of my DC's behavior during the test. DC had a WISC at 90th percentile but the GAI (only two of the tests) was at 97th percentile. They thought GAI was a better measure because of the large differences between the tests (90s vs 30s) probably due to the ADHD (that we didn't know he had at the time). I did include the doctors' report. Thank you for the suggestion of the Stanford-Binet. I will look into that.

If I'm not mistaken, those scores are in the 119-129 range. Unfortunately, those are just not typically the scores that are admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not OP. My DC was not accepted. DC was rising 4th grade. Cogat was composit 128 and Wisc was fsiq was 132. Both high in Verbal and VCI. One of the sub section of Wisc was 99.9%. His is 2e due to his medical condition which is not ADHD and ADD.
I bet it was his GBRS score which I still don't know and school says they will not release it until mid May. Absolutely rudiculous!!
Should I go for appeal?

Yes, it's "rudiculous"!

I guess you are being sarcastic. I meant it is "ridiculous" that they won't release the file until mid May.

Anonymous wrote:I am not OP. My DC was not accepted. DC was rising 4th grade. Cogat was composit 128 and Wisc was fsiq was 132. Both high in Verbal and VCI. One of the sub section of Wisc was 99.9%. His is 2e due to his medical condition which is not ADHD and ADD.
I bet it was his GBRS score which I still don't know and school says they will not release it until mid May. Absolutely rudiculous!!
Should I go for appeal?

Yes, it's "rudiculous"!

OP, appeal! In letter talk about child being 2E. The SB is focused on 2E kuds being identified an appropriately placed. Also, we used DR. Dahlgren in Fairfax City. Good Luck!

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Anonymous wrote:Ok you knew this was coming.... Who has information on the AAP appeals process? What worked for you? Does anyone know where I can get a Naglieri re-test? GMU doesn't offer them this time of year. DC was diagnosed with ADHD in the middle of all this so we think we need to retest him. WISC score is very high but wasn't enough apparently.

If the WISC was not high enough, I am not sure a Naglieri score will help. Did you include the doctor's evaluation report/diagnosis in with the original screening file? If not, I would offer that as new information. You may also want to consider the Stanford-Binet.

I'm OP. The WISC was said to be taken with a grain of salt because of my DC's behavior during the test. DC had a WISC at 90th percentile but the GAI (only two of the tests) was at 97th percentile. They thought GAI was a better measure because of the large differences between the tests (90s vs 30s) probably due to the ADHD (that we didn't know he had at the time). I did include the doctors' report. Thank you for the suggestion of the Stanford-Binet. I will look into that.

Who said to take it with a grain of salt? The psychologist?

Yes - in the final report it said that they weren't confident in the results (I think the phrase was "use caution" because he was moving around during the test so much. The psychologist told me over the phone that she couldn't say for sure if the behavior lowered his score but it seemed like a distinct possibility.

Seems odd that they would publish a final report with a number and a "use caution." Telling you that his behavior possibly lowered his score isn't the same as saying take it with a grain of salt. That is saying that his behavior may have affected the score, but it may not have. Writing in the report, "The child was moving around so much that the results are unreliable" would be how "grain of salt" is interpreted, no?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok you knew this was coming.... Who has information on the AAP appeals process? What worked for you? Does anyone know where I can get a Naglieri re-test? GMU doesn't offer them this time of year. DC was diagnosed with ADHD in the middle of all this so we think we need to retest him. WISC score is very high but wasn't enough apparently.

If the WISC was not high enough, I am not sure a Naglieri score will help. Did you include the doctor's evaluation report/diagnosis in with the original screening file? If not, I would offer that as new information. You may also want to consider the Stanford-Binet.

I'm OP. The WISC was said to be taken with a grain of salt because of my DC's behavior during the test. DC had a WISC at 90th percentile but the GAI (only two of the tests) was at 97th percentile. They thought GAI was a better measure because of the large differences between the tests (90s vs 30s) probably due to the ADHD (that we didn't know he had at the time). I did include the doctors' report. Thank you for the suggestion of the Stanford-Binet. I will look into that.

Who said to take it with a grain of salt? The psychologist?

Yes - in the final report it said that they weren't confident in the results (I think the phrase was "use caution" because he was moving around during the test so much. The psychologist told me over the phone that she couldn't say for sure if the behavior lowered his score but it seemed like a distinct possibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok you knew this was coming.... Who has information on the AAP appeals process? What worked for you? Does anyone know where I can get a Naglieri re-test? GMU doesn't offer them this time of year. DC was diagnosed with ADHD in the middle of all this so we think we need to retest him. WISC score is very high but wasn't enough apparently.

If the WISC was not high enough, I am not sure a Naglieri score will help. Did you include the doctor's evaluation report/diagnosis in with the original screening file? If not, I would offer that as new information. You may also want to consider the Stanford-Binet.

I'm OP. The WISC was said to be taken with a grain of salt because of my DC's behavior during the test. DC had a WISC at 90th percentile but the GAI (only two of the tests) was at 97th percentile. They thought GAI was a better measure because of the large differences between the tests (90s vs 30s) probably due to the ADHD (that we didn't know he had at the time). I did include the doctors' report. Thank you for the suggestion of the Stanford-Binet. I will look into that.

Who said to take it with a grain of salt? The psychologist?

Anonymous wrote:I am not OP. My DC was not accepted. DC was rising 4th grade. Cogat was composit 128 and Wisc was fsiq was 132. Both high in Verbal and VCI. One of the sub section of Wisc was 99.9%. His is 2e due to his medical condition which is not ADHD and ADD.
I bet it was his GBRS score which I still don't know and school says they will not release it until mid May. Absolutely rudiculous!!
Should I go for appeal?

I would. Our AART is meeting with me next week to go over the screening file or willing to give it to me right away. You were supposed to be able to get it back in March as soon as everything was submitted.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok you knew this was coming.... Who has information on the AAP appeals process? What worked for you? Does anyone know where I can get a Naglieri re-test? GMU doesn't offer them this time of year. DC was diagnosed with ADHD in the middle of all this so we think we need to retest him. WISC score is very high but wasn't enough apparently.

If the WISC was not high enough, I am not sure a Naglieri score will help. Did you include the doctor's evaluation report/diagnosis in with the original screening file? If not, I would offer that as new information. You may also want to consider the Stanford-Binet.

I'm OP. The WISC was said to be taken with a grain of salt because of my DC's behavior during the test. DC had a WISC at 90th percentile but the GAI (only two of the tests) was at 97th percentile. They thought GAI was a better measure because of the large differences between the tests (90s vs 30s) probably due to the ADHD (that we didn't know he had at the time). I did include the doctors' report. Thank you for the suggestion of the Stanford-Binet. I will look into that.