Anonymous
Post 04/22/2015 11:36     Subject: Re:Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
I have a GBRS related question, if you don't mind my piggy backing on this thread. My daughter received a GBRS score of 6, but high CogAT and WISC scores. She is not in FCPS, but has attended a catholic school since kindergarten and is now in second grade. Her catholic school teacher is not trained in how to complete the GBRS form. Does anyone know if the weight of the GBRS is conditional on who completes it (ie. FCPS vs non-FCPS)?

For what it's worth, in first grade she was evaluated for ADHD and received a high composite WISC score of 128 (97%). She did the CogAT and Naglieri testing via GMU in second grade and received (112, 135, 136; composite 134 (98%)) and 114 (81%) respectively.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2015 11:23     Subject: Re:Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mine got a 9. Can anyone tell me if anyone can get in first round with that kind of GBRS. If yes, what kind of scores would trump that? I am not interested in appealing. But still not sure if that is the right decision.



FCPS will tell you that whether your DC got in on the first round w/in the next 10 days. You might be able to get some guidance on addl tests - it might be helpful to share NNAT and COGAT scores so folks could share parity of their DC w/ your situation. Good luck!


Hello..my kid had both COGAT and NNAT in 136-137 range. Also submitted his awards in Chess and Lego League.


very, very strong COGAT and NNAT scores - I am doubtful that GBRS scores (even if low) would impact eligibility decision
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2015 11:10     Subject: Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Level III at our AAP center has kids come in and attend accelerated AAP math w the level IV kids - these kids are engaged and appear to do quite well in the classroom.


My kids' center used to allow this, but stop once it became a pyp school, which was disappointing since DC's strong point is math and I think doing only level IV math would be better than full time AAP. It's unfortunate how opportunities vary from school to school within FCPS. I don't care about the AAP label, but I wish more kids who are super strong in one area had more opportunities for accelerated learning in that area, rather than just one hour weekly pull outs, which is what happens in some schools.


Yes, I agree 1000%! I couldn't care less about the AAP label; I just want my DD to have a challenging educational experience that recognizes and accomodates her strengths -- which is why I am a bit leery of the level III program. One hour pull-outs, once a week? How is that academically enriching?

In my case, DD is very strong in Language Arts (a constant reader, loves writing etc.). I do not doubt that she could handle a level IV math curriculum -- while math may not be an area of tremendous strength I think she and many other like her could handle the workload....
But what do I know?

I sincerely doubt that EVERY student in the program has equal strengths in math and language arts. Anecdotally, many of the level IV writing exercises showcased on DC's school walls are hardly indicative of "advanced academics". But as a previous poster mentioned, local level IV programs vary from school to school....

Anonymous
Post 04/22/2015 10:09     Subject: Re:Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mine got a 9. Can anyone tell me if anyone can get in first round with that kind of GBRS. If yes, what kind of scores would trump that? I am not interested in appealing. But still not sure if that is the right decision.



FCPS will tell you that whether your DC got in on the first round w/in the next 10 days. You might be able to get some guidance on addl tests - it might be helpful to share NNAT and COGAT scores so folks could share parity of their DC w/ your situation. Good luck!


Hello..my kid had both COGAT and NNAT in 136-137 range. Also submitted his awards in Chess and Lego League.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2015 09:53     Subject: Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Anonymous wrote:Level III at our AAP center has kids come in and attend accelerated AAP math w the level IV kids - these kids are engaged and appear to do quite well in the classroom.


My kids' center used to allow this, but stop once it became a pyp school, which was disappointing since DC's strong point is math and I think doing only level IV math would be better than full time AAP. It's unfortunate how opportunities vary from school to school within FCPS. I don't care about the AAP label, but I wish more kids who are super strong in one area had more opportunities for accelerated learning in that area, rather than just one hour weekly pull outs, which is what happens in some schools.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 20:17     Subject: Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
But it's only once a week, right? i have a sneaking suspicion that, given DDs test scores and GBRS, that she will either get language arts push-in or weekly level III sessions with AART....or perhaps both..does that ever happen?
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 14:49     Subject: Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Level III at our AAP center has kids come in and attend accelerated AAP math w the level IV kids - these kids are engaged and appear to do quite well in the classroom.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 14:28     Subject: Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Does he like level III differentiation? How often do those classes meet? My concern with that option is that, from what I've heard, it really does vary from school to school. I'm not convinced that my DDs school offers an appropriately challenging level III program. From what I've heard, kids meet for one hour once a week with AART.....
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 10:52     Subject: Re:Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Pp, sorry my reply got stuck on the middle of the quote!
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 10:51     Subject: Re:Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To compare : last year DS: GBRS 16, Naglieri 127, CogAt was low (114, 103, 107, Composite 112). Took CoGAt in small group due to IEP for ADHD and autism. Admitted to me that "this was the most boring test I ever took, i stopped answering"

Not admitted. I suspect due to the Cog At. I feel with a Naglieri in the high 120's, and a GBRS of 16, he'd have been in with a decent CogAt. We decided not to appeal, though had I had the GBRS before the deadline. I might have. DS is doing fine in base school with a Level III weekly pullouts and differentiation in class.

This year: DD GBRS 16 with extensive commentary. Her teacher filled up every space available. There were 4 comments for each question, as there are supposed to be (1 per point). CogAt 132, 118, 108 with 122 Composite. Naglieri 122.

I referred DS last year on the rec of the AART. I referred DD this year on the rec of her teacher and the AART. I guess I'll find out soon.


Your DS Wasn't admitted with GBRS of 16? Interesting. My DD had similar, below cutoff scores as your DS (124, 107, 120) and a GBRS of 12. We decided to apply for local level IV -- we will not appeal if the stars aren't aligned...

He was not admitted with a 16, that is correct. Again, he has autism and ADHD, so I'm not sure if that had an impact? I do know that his GBRS told me his teachers see his potential. I'm not sure he would have thrived in the enormous center class sizes. I half-debated a parent referral this year, but decided to not mess with a situation that's working. Every school is different with regard to Level III. At our school, it is a weekly pullout with the AART. We do not have LLIV, which I think would have been great for him. He does not like change.

What does level III differentiation entail?
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 09:35     Subject: Re:Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Anonymous wrote:I am an FCPS second grade teacher. I am amazed by the amount of misinformation posted here. To the parent who said a low Gbrs score cannot overcome any CoGat score, you are absolutely wrong. A score of 140 or more pretty much guarantees AAP admission regardless of Gbrs. I had kids with Gbrs of four, the lowest possible, and high scores routinely get in to AAP. Kids below the pool cut off, 122 to 130, would get in with Gbrs of 11 or above with strong comments. So many parents here post comments with absolutely no knowledge. I recently worked on a project with a retired AART who confirmed all of my years of anecdotal information.

Hello Teacher,
My kids test scores are below the pool cut off, 122 to 130,WISC-130, Dont know the GBRS, What do you say ? Will he get in?
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 09:34     Subject: Re:Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Anonymous wrote:To compare : last year DS: GBRS 16, Naglieri 127, CogAt was low (114, 103, 107, Composite 112). Took CoGAt in small group due to IEP for ADHD and autism. Admitted to me that "this was the most boring test I ever took, i stopped answering"

Not admitted. I suspect due to the Cog At. I feel with a Naglieri in the high 120's, and a GBRS of 16, he'd have been in with a decent CogAt. We decided not to appeal, though had I had the GBRS before the deadline. I might have. DS is doing fine in base school with a Level III weekly pullouts and differentiation in class.

This year: DD GBRS 16 with extensive commentary. Her teacher filled up every space available. There were 4 comments for each question, as there are supposed to be (1 per point). CogAt 132, 118, 108 with 122 Composite. Naglieri 122.

I referred DS last year on the rec of the AART. I referred DD this year on the rec of her teacher and the AART. I guess I'll find out soon.


Your DS Wasn't admitted with GBRS of 16? Interesting. My DD had similar, below cutoff scores as your DS (124, 107, 120) and a GBRS of 12. We decided to apply for local level IV -- we will not appeal if the stars aren't aligned...

What does level III differentiation entail?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 22:10     Subject: Re:Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
PP again. Ironically, my oldest DS is in 7th AAP. He was my only child in pool. His Naglieri was 124, his CogAt was 138. I don't remember the breakdown but I do remember his Nonverbal was 148. He was not admitted with a 9 GBRS. His teacher told me he was "immature" for AAP. In 3rd we parent referred. No new testing, admitted first round with a GBRS of 12. He's had straight A's since starting in 4th. Bye really needed it, but did end up with an ADHD diagnosis,bwhuch is think contributed to the lower GBRS.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 22:04     Subject: Re:Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
To compare : last year DS: GBRS 16, Naglieri 127, CogAt was low (114, 103, 107, Composite 112). Took CoGAt in small group due to IEP for ADHD and autism. Admitted to me that "this was the most boring test I ever took, i stopped answering"

Not admitted. I suspect due to the Cog At. I feel with a Naglieri in the high 120's, and a GBRS of 16, he'd have been in with a decent CogAt. We decided not to appeal, though had I had the GBRS before the deadline. I might have. DS is doing fine in base school with a Level III weekly pullouts and differentiation in class.

This year: DD GBRS 16 with extensive commentary. Her teacher filled up every space available. There were 4 comments for each question, as there are supposed to be (1 per point). CogAt 132, 118, 108 with 122 Composite. Naglieri 122.

I referred DS last year on the rec of the AART. I referred DD this year on the rec of her teacher and the AART. I guess I'll find out soon.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 20:15     Subject: Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!
Thank you for your response. This is the OP. So, according to the committee test scores trump GBRS? Could you also clarify whether standardized test scores in addition to teacher Observations and various supporting docs all contribute to / comprise the GBRS?