Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 09:52     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS in compacted 5th/6th. Taking IM next year, 259 on MAP-M. Got 45 on GT test but did not get in for Middle School.


Did he not do well on the other two sections of the Ms magnet test?


Yes. Did well in Reading but poor in Raven. It is hard to get in to HG. Others did better so deserved it more. But my point was that 259 is high MAP-M but not so high that kid is HG material.


I was just curious. My child did well on reading and math but also did not do well on Raven and was W/L.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 09:07     Subject: Re:5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think there is a difference between being able to understand higher level math and actually knowing the concepts and the vocabulary. But if you can't get the school to agree to placement in IM, you could start your child in Math 6 and if he really is knocking it out of the park, you can ask to bump him up to IM mid-year.

FWIW, I have a 4th grader in compacted math 5-6 (in HGC) who has a 245 MAP-M. Should my kid be taking IM in 5th grade?


that is a typical map-m score for 4/5/6 students in 4th grade. I don't see that as warranting IM in 5th grade.


I'm the PP with this kid, and while I think his score is solid, I don't think it means he should skip Math 6 (I asked, and he says he is in compacted 4/5). It was a kind of rhetorical question anyway. I have an older child in 6th taking IM, and that is above grade level for 6th. My kid could probably handle more, but doesn't want to be in the position of having to take something like Calc II in HS because 4 years of math are required in HS. At a certain point, the acceleration leaves your kids in a weird position come 11th/12th grade...so unless your kids are truly prodigies...


Agree about the hyper acceleration. I'm one of the posters above with a son who is very strong in math. I want him to feel a little more challenged than he is, but not stressed. What's the point in the end? I really don't care what year he takes calculus. And if he isn't overworked in math, he can focus on his weaker areas.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 09:03     Subject: Re:5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think there is a difference between being able to understand higher level math and actually knowing the concepts and the vocabulary. But if you can't get the school to agree to placement in IM, you could start your child in Math 6 and if he really is knocking it out of the park, you can ask to bump him up to IM mid-year.

FWIW, I have a 4th grader in compacted math 5-6 (in HGC) who has a 245 MAP-M. Should my kid be taking IM in 5th grade?


that is a typical map-m score for 4/5/6 students in 4th grade. I don't see that as warranting IM in 5th grade.


I'm the PP with this kid, and while I think his score is solid, I don't think it means he should skip Math 6 (I asked, and he says he is in compacted 4/5). It was a kind of rhetorical question anyway. I have an older child in 6th taking IM, and that is above grade level for 6th. My kid could probably handle more, but doesn't want to be in the position of having to take something like Calc II in HS because 4 years of math are required in HS. At a certain point, the acceleration leaves your kids in a weird position come 11th/12th grade...so unless your kids are truly prodigies...
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 08:01     Subject: Re:5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:I think there is a difference between being able to understand higher level math and actually knowing the concepts and the vocabulary. But if you can't get the school to agree to placement in IM, you could start your child in Math 6 and if he really is knocking it out of the park, you can ask to bump him up to IM mid-year.

FWIW, I have a 4th grader in compacted math 5-6 (in HGC) who has a 245 MAP-M. Should my kid be taking IM in 5th grade?


that is a typical map-m score for 4/5/6 students in 4th grade. I don't see that as warranting IM in 5th grade.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2015 05:52     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS in compacted 5th/6th. Taking IM next year, 259 on MAP-M. Got 45 on GT test but did not get in for Middle School.


Did he not do well on the other two sections of the Ms magnet test?


Yes. Did well in Reading but poor in Raven. It is hard to get in to HG. Others did better so deserved it more. But my point was that 259 is high MAP-M but not so high that kid is HG material.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 23:13     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:DS in compacted 5th/6th. Taking IM next year, 259 on MAP-M. Got 45 on GT test but did not get in for Middle School.


Did he not do well on the other two sections of the Ms magnet test?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 23:00     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
DS in compacted 5th/6th. Taking IM next year, 259 on MAP-M. Got 45 on GT test but did not get in for Middle School.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 21:40     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS in 5th grade also had a 249. School wouldn't allow him into compacted math and he's never received above grade level instruction. He doesn't complain but I know he's bored. He earns ES on everything but admittedly makes a rare careless error. Private testing showed exceptional math ability. The tester was surprised to learn of his classroom placement and said it was way below his ability. We're leaving MCPS in hopes we can get him off the track he's stuck on. I'm not asking for any special treatment but if there's a class across the hall that meets his needs, why couldn't they at least let him have a test run.

And we aren't concerned about missed material. He has a thorough grasp of pre-algebra.


Does he go to a school that has few kids in compacted math?


Our school has 50% in compacted math. He just didn't have a good year in 3rd grade when they made the placement decision. I pleaded in 4th for a change of placement and was told absolutely not.


We had the same situation except we made a successful request at 5th grade, and was placed into compacted 5/6. With 249 Map-M score, you should have a very strong argument to place him into compacted 5/6 or just register IM for 6th grade at his middle school

Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 21:39     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:Have you found a private school that will push him into 6th grade algebra from 5th grade math? Did you consider taking your results to MCPS for further consideration?[/

I didn't take anything above the principal's head because the principal said it was the county tying his hands. After reading posts here, there's obviously more flexibity in placements than he admitted. Kicking myself!!!

Our private has assured me they will challenge him in math. I don't know if that means pre-algebra or algebra. When I asked, I wanted a pre-algebra (IM equivalent) placement because I didn't have the private testing results.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 21:22     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS in 5th grade also had a 249. School wouldn't allow him into compacted math and he's never received above grade level instruction. He doesn't complain but I know he's bored. He earns ES on everything but admittedly makes a rare careless error. Private testing showed exceptional math ability. The tester was surprised to learn of his classroom placement and said it was way below his ability. We're leaving MCPS in hopes we can get him off the track he's stuck on. I'm not asking for any special treatment but if there's a class across the hall that meets his needs, why couldn't they at least let him have a test run.

And we aren't concerned about missed material. He has a thorough grasp of pre-algebra.


Does he go to a school that has few kids in compacted math?


Our school has 50% in compacted math. He just didn't have a good year in 3rd grade when they made the placement decision. I pleaded in 4th for a change of placement and was told absolutely not.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 21:14     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Have you found a private school that will push him into 6th grade algebra from 5th grade math? Did you consider taking your results to MCPS for further consideration?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 21:10     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:DS in 5th grade also had a 249. School wouldn't allow him into compacted math and he's never received above grade level instruction. He doesn't complain but I know he's bored. He earns ES on everything but admittedly makes a rare careless error. Private testing showed exceptional math ability. The tester was surprised to learn of his classroom placement and said it was way below his ability. We're leaving MCPS in hopes we can get him off the track he's stuck on. I'm not asking for any special treatment but if there's a class across the hall that meets his needs, why couldn't they at least let him have a test run.

And we aren't concerned about missed material. He has a thorough grasp of pre-algebra.


Does he go to a school that has few kids in compacted math?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 20:29     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
DS in 5th grade also had a 249. School wouldn't allow him into compacted math and he's never received above grade level instruction. He doesn't complain but I know he's bored. He earns ES on everything but admittedly makes a rare careless error. Private testing showed exceptional math ability. The tester was surprised to learn of his classroom placement and said it was way below his ability. We're leaving MCPS in hopes we can get him off the track he's stuck on. I'm not asking for any special treatment but if there's a class across the hall that meets his needs, why couldn't they at least let him have a test run.

And we aren't concerned about missed material. He has a thorough grasp of pre-algebra.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 18:49     Subject: 5th-6th grade math / Map-M
PP, if you read school report card it should say
Mathematics - Compacted 5/6 or 4/5.

Anonymous
Post 04/20/2015 15:56     Subject: Re:5th-6th grade math / Map-M
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think there is a difference between being able to understand higher level math and actually knowing the concepts and the vocabulary. But if you can't get the school to agree to placement in IM, you could start your child in Math 6 and if he really is knocking it out of the park, you can ask to bump him up to IM mid-year.

FWIW, I have a 4th grader in compacted math 5-6 (in HGC) who has a 245 MAP-M. Should my kid be taking IM in 5th grade?


What else would your child take? I mean, isn't that what comes next? How did he/she skip compacted math 4/5?


Oh wait, maybe my kid's in compacted 4/5, not 5/6. For parents of older kids, does this compacted thing mean that 5th grade math is split between the two years? I frankly haven't been paying much attention to what's being taught in class, and I don't really understand this compacted business. At home, our kid is learning 6th grade math on Khan Academy. He says he is bored with math at school.