Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 14:46     Subject: Re:stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:How does it feel to be living in the past and not realizing it? What other elements of modernity have passed you by without your knowing it?


Ask the Muslim countries you defend the same question when it comes to gay rights, rights of women, etc.


I am fully opposed to anti-gay policies and/or attitudes in any country regardless of the majority religion of that country. You, on the other hand, stand hand in hand with the prejudicial practices of those countries you want me to question. So, I can I can skip asking those countries and just ask you.


In this country, we are supposed to be free to practice our religion without government interference. You might not like it, and free market might put some out of business as a result of it, but that's as it should be. Since these shop owners are not swinging gay people from cranes or pushing them off buildings, I'm fine with any shop owner refusing to participate in a gay wedding by making a specialty item for the event. I find it reprehensible that Christians are being targeted by activists and are destroying lives, while at the same claiming they support equality and tolerance. If they truly did, they would say 'we don't understand, but support your right to live by your religious beliefs' and find another shop.

Sometimes those claiming to be most tolerant actually aren't. This is a trend throughout progressive activism, from gay activism to LGBT activism and throughout women's rights supporters as well as attacks on religion. All the while spewing some of the most hateful bile out there.

From a purely psychological view, it's actually quite fascinating


So, what part of your religion requires you to operate a business?
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 14:45     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:
I will help my gay neighbors when I can, but I would not provide a cake for a union that I think is sinful. You can laugh at me all you want -- I just want to live my life freely as I believe they should be able to do.


That's fine. And as a private citizen, you should feel free to bake cakes only for heterosexual couples.

But if you want to operate a business, then you can't refuse to sell to gay people.

Supporters of this law aren't protecting a right to practice their religion as they see fit. They're pushing for the right to profit. Otherwise, why don't they stop selling wedding cakes at all? That way, they aren't participating in any gay weddings.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 14:42     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:I don't have a problem with gay folks; but I expect them to respect my right to live as a Christian.

That my friends is real tolerance.


They do. And I will fight for the rights of Christians to worship how they please.

But you still would need to bake that cake.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 14:40     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong

I will help my gay neighbors when I can, but I would not provide a cake for a union that I think is sinful. You can laugh at me all you want -- I just want to live my life freely as I believe they should be able to do.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 14:39     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
I don't have a problem with gay folks; but I expect them to respect my right to live as a Christian.

That my friends is real tolerance.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 14:21     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:That's Christians are being targeted by activists who are destroying Christian livelihoods.


Uh, last I checked, they were fighting for the right to pay them money.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 14:11     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:The Bible was used to advocate for slavery. So yes it was a religious issue then too.

So how does it feel to be living in the past and not realizing it? What other elements of modernity have passed you by without your knowing it?
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 14:01     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
I think racial minorites are basically the same as the gay population. Both born that way. Both discriminated against. Both had religious teachings bent out of whack against them.
Yep totally the same.
In fact OP of you are a minority you have so much in common with gay people!
You should consider yourself just like them.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 09:16     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Until the pope, Mohammed or who ever changes the text, gay is wrong and is part of their religion. None of those religions say anything about race.


So you want the courts to decide what is and isn't in the Christian religion?


So you want the bible to decide what is and what isn't acceptable under the law?


Check you pocket Constitution ... Do you have one?
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 09:16     Subject: Re:stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:How does it feel to be living in the past and not realizing it? What other elements of modernity have passed you by without your knowing it?


Ask the Muslim countries you defend the same question when it comes to gay rights, rights of women, etc.


I am fully opposed to anti-gay policies and/or attitudes in any country regardless of the majority religion of that country. You, on the other hand, stand hand in hand with the prejudicial practices of those countries you want me to question. So, I can I can skip asking those countries and just ask you.


In this country, we are supposed to be free to practice our religion without government interference. You might not like it, and free market might put some out of business as a result of it, but that's as it should be. Since these shop owners are not swinging gay people from cranes or pushing them off buildings, I'm fine with any shop owner refusing to participate in a gay wedding by making a specialty item for the event. I find it reprehensible that Christians are being targeted by activists and are destroying lives, while at the same claiming they support equality and tolerance. If they truly did, they would say 'we don't understand, but support your right to live by your religious beliefs' and find another shop.

Sometimes those claiming to be most tolerant actually aren't. This is a trend throughout progressive activism, from gay activism to LGBT activism and throughout women's rights supporters as well as attacks on religion. All the while spewing some of the most hateful bile out there.

From a purely psychological view, it's actually quite fascinating


If a gay couple offers you money to bake a cake, you cannot refuse. What they're doing with the cake doesn't matter. You baking a cake is not against your religion.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 09:15     Subject: Re:stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:How does it feel to be living in the past and not realizing it? What other elements of modernity have passed you by without your knowing it?


Ask the Muslim countries you defend the same question when it comes to gay rights, rights of women, etc.


I am fully opposed to anti-gay policies and/or attitudes in any country regardless of the majority religion of that country. You, on the other hand, stand hand in hand with the prejudicial practices of those countries you want me to question. So, I can I can skip asking those countries and just ask you.


In this country, we are supposed to be free to practice our religion without government interference. You might not like it, and free market might put some out of business as a result of it, but that's as it should be. Since these shop owners are not swinging gay people from cranes or pushing them off buildings, I'm fine with any shop owner refusing to participate in a gay wedding by making a specialty item for the event. I find it reprehensible that Christians are being targeted by activists and are destroying lives, while at the same claiming they support equality and tolerance. If they truly did, they would say 'we don't understand, but support your right to live by your religious beliefs' and find another shop.

Sometimes those claiming to be most tolerant actually aren't. This is a trend throughout progressive activism, from gay activism to LGBT activism and throughout women's rights supporters as well as attacks on religion. All the while spewing some of the most hateful bile out there.

From a purely psychological view, it's actually quite fascinating


You may be fine with store owners discriminating, but it has been ruled illegal before, and it will likely be ruled illegal again.

As for your comment about tolerance, I cannot imagine Jesus turning away gay people. One need not be a "progressive" in order to understand the basic lessons of the bible.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 09:14     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
That's Christians are being targeted by activists who are destroying Christian livelihoods.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2015 09:13     Subject: Re:stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:How does it feel to be living in the past and not realizing it? What other elements of modernity have passed you by without your knowing it?


Ask the Muslim countries you defend the same question when it comes to gay rights, rights of women, etc.


I am fully opposed to anti-gay policies and/or attitudes in any country regardless of the majority religion of that country. You, on the other hand, stand hand in hand with the prejudicial practices of those countries you want me to question. So, I can I can skip asking those countries and just ask you.


In this country, we are supposed to be free to practice our religion without government interference. You might not like it, and free market might put some out of business as a result of it, but that's as it should be. Since these shop owners are not swinging gay people from cranes or pushing them off buildings, I'm fine with any shop owner refusing to participate in a gay wedding by making a specialty item for the event. I find it reprehensible that Christians are being targeted by activists and are destroying lives, while at the same claiming they support equality and tolerance. If they truly did, they would say 'we don't understand, but support your right to live by your religious beliefs' and find another shop.

Sometimes those claiming to be most tolerant actually aren't. This is a trend throughout progressive activism, from gay activism to LGBT activism and throughout women's rights supporters as well as attacks on religion. All the while spewing some of the most hateful bile out there.

From a purely psychological view, it's actually quite fascinating
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 13:56     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
OP: I'm not backward like great grandpa. I'm backward like my dad.

Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 13:37     Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:Until the pope, Mohammed or who ever changes the text, gay is wrong and is part of their religion. None of those religions say anything about race.

Im sorry grasshopper, you need to expand your knowledge beyond the Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, which are all basically the same. I also do believe that the practice of Adelphopoiesis is not simply a "brotherly union" but the marriage of 2 christian men.

Throughout history particular cultures and societies have treated homosexuality in a number of ways in order to force society to conform. Homosexual behaviour has variously been encouraged, approved of, tolerated, punished, and banned.