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Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?

+1 I am pretty sure they are required to post on USAJOBS if they are doing an open hiring process.

They are not. Excepted service attorney jobs are not required to be posted on USAjobs. For example, you will not find a corresponding USAjobs posting for all of these vacancies:
http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/attorneys-vacancies

We've had this discussion before. Excepted Attorney positions are required to be posted on usa.jobs and there are a few exceptions that are suppose to be used only on a limited basis (i.e. time is of the essence). No one claiming that attorney jobs don't need to be on usa.jobs has ever provided a citation to support this assertion.

Could you post a citation to support your assertion that they are required to be posted? There isn't one. The requirement of public posting applies to competitive service jobs. 5 USC 3330 ("The Office of Personnel Management shall establish and keep current a comprehensive list of all announcements of vacant positions in the competitive service within each agency that are to be filled by appointment for more than one year and for which applications are being...") There is no corresponding requirement for excepted service Schedule A attorney jobs. It may be that most agencies use USAjobs, as it is the best way to reach a wide audience, but it is not required.

Not off the top of my head, but it has been posted on a similar thread in the past when this dispute arose, should be findable via search if one is so inclined. In addition, HR for my banking agency was quite clear that attorney positions were subject to the posting requirement. I've heard the same thing from attorney friends at other agencies. People grumble because of the time required to fill a position and the veteran preference requirement.

It is not findable via search because no such requirement exists. If you are the same person that suggested that nobody has ever provided a citation for the lack of posting requirement, I find it amusing that you base your conclusion on the existence of a requirement the fact that people "grumble." There is also a link provided up-post that proves that not all attorney vacancies are posted on USAjobs.

Nor does veterans preference apply to attorney jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?

+1 I am pretty sure they are required to post on USAJOBS if they are doing an open hiring process.

They are not. Excepted service attorney jobs are not required to be posted on USAjobs. For example, you will not find a corresponding USAjobs posting for all of these vacancies:
http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/attorneys-vacancies

We've had this discussion before. Excepted Attorney positions are required to be posted on usa.jobs and there are a few exceptions that are suppose to be used only on a limited basis (i.e. time is of the essence). No one claiming that attorney jobs don't need to be on usa.jobs has ever provided a citation to support this assertion.

Could you post a citation to support your assertion that they are required to be posted? There isn't one. The requirement of public posting applies to competitive service jobs. 5 USC 3330 ("The Office of Personnel Management shall establish and keep current a comprehensive list of all announcements of vacant positions in the competitive service within each agency that are to be filled by appointment for more than one year and for which applications are being...") There is no corresponding requirement for excepted service Schedule A attorney jobs. It may be that most agencies use USAjobs, as it is the best way to reach a wide audience, but it is not required.

Not off the top of my head, but it has been posted on a similar thread in the past when this dispute arose, should be findable via search if one is so inclined. In addition, HR for my banking agency was quite clear that attorney positions were subject to the posting requirement. I've heard the same thing from attorney friends at other agencies. People grumble because of the time required to fill a position and the veteran preference requirement.

It is not findable via search because no such requirement exists. If you are the same person that suggested that nobody has ever provided a citation for the lack of posting requirement, I find it amusing that you base your conclusion on the existence of a requirement the fact that people "grumble." There is also a link provided up-post that proves that not all attorney vacancies are posted on USAjobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?

+1 I am pretty sure they are required to post on USAJOBS if they are doing an open hiring process.

They are not. Excepted service attorney jobs are not required to be posted on USAjobs. For example, you will not find a corresponding USAjobs posting for all of these vacancies:
http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/attorneys-vacancies

We've had this discussion before. Excepted Attorney positions are required to be posted on usa.jobs and there are a few exceptions that are suppose to be used only on a limited basis (i.e. time is of the essence). No one claiming that attorney jobs don't need to be on usa.jobs has ever provided a citation to support this assertion.

Could you post a citation to support your assertion that they are required to be posted? There isn't one. The requirement of public posting applies to competitive service jobs. 5 USC 3330 ("The Office of Personnel Management shall establish and keep current a comprehensive list of all announcements of vacant positions in the competitive service within each agency that are to be filled by appointment for more than one year and for which applications are being...") There is no corresponding requirement for excepted service Schedule A attorney jobs. It may be that most agencies use USAjobs, as it is the best way to reach a wide audience, but it is not required.

Not off the top of my head, but it has been posted on a similar thread in the past when this dispute arose, should be findable via search if one is so inclined. In addition, HR for my banking agency was quite clear that attorney positions were subject to the posting requirement. I've heard the same thing from attorney friends at other agencies. People grumble because of the time required to fill a position and the veteran preference requirement.

I have been in several positions with DOJ. "Trial attorney" positions can have crazy hours--after all, you are going against biglaw attorneys so you need to put your time in too. "Attorney-advisor" positions have better hours, ime.

I'm in my second job at DOJ and it really completely depends on the position. Some jDOJ lawyer obs are very 9-5, but some folks I know are typically in the office more like 9-7, or longer depending on whether you have a big deadline coming up, etc. I worked in Biglaw (in NYC) for four years before joining DOJ and I think the quality of life at ANY government agency is going to be better than a firm, where 10-12 hour days were the norm for me. There are certainly annoying things, though. When I was at a firm, I could take the afternoon off to go to the doctor and yes, that's fewer hours I billed, but I didn't have to worry about running out of my accrued leave time. Also, my second baby is due in the fall, so I'll be taking my second, almost entirely unpaid, maternity leave. So there are definite trade offs.

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Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?

+1 I am pretty sure they are required to post on USAJOBS if they are doing an open hiring process.

They are not. Excepted service attorney jobs are not required to be posted on USAjobs. For example, you will not find a corresponding USAjobs posting for all of these vacancies:
http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/attorneys-vacancies

We've had this discussion before. Excepted Attorney positions are required to be posted on usa.jobs and there are a few exceptions that are suppose to be used only on a limited basis (i.e. time is of the essence). No one claiming that attorney jobs don't need to be on usa.jobs has ever provided a citation to support this assertion.

Could you post a citation to support your assertion that they are required to be posted? There isn't one. The requirement of public posting applies to competitive service jobs. 5 USC 3330 ("The Office of Personnel Management shall establish and keep current a comprehensive list of all announcements of vacant positions in the competitive service within each agency that are to be filled by appointment for more than one year and for which applications are being...") There is no corresponding requirement for excepted service Schedule A attorney jobs. It may be that most agencies use USAjobs, as it is the best way to reach a wide audience, but it is not required.

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Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?

+1 I am pretty sure they are required to post on USAJOBS if they are doing an open hiring process.

They are not. Excepted service attorney jobs are not required to be posted on USAjobs. For example, you will not find a corresponding USAjobs posting for all of these vacancies:
http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/attorneys-vacancies

We've had this discussion before. Excepted Attorney positions are required to be posted on usa.jobs and there are a few exceptions that are suppose to be used only on a limited basis (i.e. time is of the essence). No one claiming that attorney jobs don't need to be on usa.jobs has ever provided a citation to support this assertion.

Sorry, wanted to add that public posting on the DOJ site is categorically different than the "word of mouth" one poster claimed.

It's going to depend on the office and position even within a particular agency. At my agency the trial attorneys are a lot busier than the attorney-advisors in general, but all of the different positions have different workflows - some have busy periods and slow periods, some are more even, some favor telework and flex schedules, some don't. If you find a position you are interested in, I recommend trying to talk to people at that agency to get a feel for the workflow and schedule requirements

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Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?

+1 I am pretty sure they are required to post on USAJOBS if they are doing an open hiring process.

They are not. Excepted service attorney jobs are not required to be posted on USAjobs. For example, you will not find a corresponding USAjobs posting for all of these vacancies:
http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/attorneys-vacancies

We've had this discussion before. Excepted Attorney positions are required to be posted on usa.jobs and there are a few exceptions that are suppose to be used only on a limited basis (i.e. time is of the essence). No one claiming that attorney jobs don't need to be on usa.jobs has ever provided a citation to support this assertion.

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Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?

+1 I am pretty sure they are required to post on USAJOBS if they are doing an open hiring process.

They are not. Excepted service attorney jobs are not required to be posted on USAjobs. For example, you will not find a corresponding USAjobs posting for all of these vacancies:
http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/attorneys-vacancies

My office never posts attorney jobs on usajobs. It's all by word of mouth. My agency is in the top 5 of best places to work.

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Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?

+1 I am pretty sure they are required to post on USAJOBS if they are doing an open hiring process.

They are not. Excepted service attorney jobs are not required to be posted on USAjobs. For example, you will not find a corresponding USAjobs posting for all of these vacancies:
http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/attorneys-vacancies

This is interesting. Are there any other agencies like this?

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Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?

+1 I am pretty sure they are required to post on USAJOBS if they are doing an open hiring process.

They are not. Excepted service attorney jobs are not required to be posted on USAjobs. For example, you will not find a corresponding USAjobs posting for all of these vacancies:
http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/attorneys-vacancies

Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I hear this all the time and would love for someone to post an example. Personally I haven't seen one.

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Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?

+1 I am pretty sure they are required to post on USAJOBS if they are doing an open hiring process.

Anonymous wrote:Some agencies don't post on USA jobs for attorney positions, so it is key to monitor those you are looking at closely and know where they post.

I have never heard of this before. What are some of these agencies and how does one monitor their job openings if they do not post publicly?