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Anonymous wrote:People like the OP are hypocrites.

You are Muslim, and have remained a Muslim. At least the remaining part is a conscious choice because you believe this is the right way, the one true way to be with God for eternity.

The same for your husband.

You cannot believe in only one true way, but then think that a different way is also a "beautiful way to know God".

If you fancy yourself a person of faith, it should be backed up with conviction. Otherwise you are just a hollow practitioner of rituals.

That's your opinion. It's entirely possible to be a member of one faith but also recognize the legitimacy of the other pathways to God without wanting to appropriate it.

I didn't say it wasn't possible. Obviously it's possible since that's exactly what the OP did. The charge is that it is hypocritical.

Saying that you are a Muslim is to say that the teachings of the Koran is true, and therefore Jesus was not the Son of God and there is no original sin. This is at odds with what a Catholic believes. Either one of you is right, or both of you are wrong. Both of you can't be right about this as there is no middle ground. If you claim that you are a Muslim, indicating that you believe Jesus was just another prophet, and that people are not born into original sin, but yet you turn around and acknowledge that Catholicism is another valid way to know God, then that demonstrates you don't actually believe in the fundamental claims of Islam, the very definition of a hypocrite. This is not my opinion.

Many people believe others can worship in different ways. That one way is best for OP and another way is best for her husband.

The only ones I know who don't believe that are the fundamentalist sects of the Abrahamic faiths.

You are absolutely incorrect, unless you consider Catholicism a fundamentalist sect. Catholics believe that the *only* way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, who they believe is the Son of God. If you do not believe that, you are not Catholic, and you are not going to heaven either. If you are truly a practicing, believing Catholic, then to have your children not believe in Christ would be the ultimate tragedy. Unless OP feels that being Catholic and Muslim is limited to Eid and Christmas trees this is a problem. This is why people are all over OP.

Catholicism is pretty fundy, but since Vatican II it's acknowledged that Protestants and non-Christians can indeed be saved.

"The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church."

Jesus Christ is the only way for Catholics. But not for everyone. No hypocrisy at being OK with your spouse worshiping differently than you.

I'm not the "she's a hypocrite" poster. I'm one of the multiple posters who sees a problem for OP when she and her spouse have children.

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Many people believe others can worship in different ways. That one way is best for OP and another way is best for her husband.

The only ones I know who don't believe that are the fundamentalist sects of the Abrahamic faiths.

Yes, many people are hypocritical in their ways. I agree. Many do so unknowingly, which is probably the case with the OP. I wanted to point out the hypocrisy in case it has escaped the OP. Because to live in the knowledge of one's own hypocrisy is to live in a lie or be deceptive to others. I always assume the best of people so I would choose the former. Given that, it's important for people to know when they are living in a lie.

There are some religions and belief systems that accepts different ways of worship. Christianity and Islam, and the denominations thereof, are not among these.

To belief that Jesus is the Son of God is not a "fundamentalist" view. It's the foundation of Christianity. Without Jesus, without Original Sin, it is no longer Christianity. A Christian cannot be wishy washy about Jesus, who he was/is/will-be.

I can safely say you are the only person on this thread who feels it's important to let OP know, over and over again, that she's living a lie. Did that make you feel all warm and snuggly?

She didn't say it's the right way to know god. You don't know what kind of Muslim she is (the horrors! there are different kinds!). She can disagree with someone and find it beautiful. I do understand if this viewpoint isn't something your brain can accommodate, let alone understand.

Islam specifically, explicitly, admits Christians and Jews under the umbrella of people with a pathway to god. If you disagree with that, fine. But that point of view is not scripturally wrong, islamically speaking.

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Anonymous wrote:People like the OP are hypocrites.

You are Muslim, and have remained a Muslim. At least the remaining part is a conscious choice because you believe this is the right way, the one true way to be with God for eternity.

The same for your husband.

You cannot believe in only one true way, but then think that a different way is also a "beautiful way to know God".

If you fancy yourself a person of faith, it should be backed up with conviction. Otherwise you are just a hollow practitioner of rituals.

That's your opinion. It's entirely possible to be a member of one faith but also recognize the legitimacy of the other pathways to God without wanting to appropriate it.

I didn't say it wasn't possible. Obviously it's possible since that's exactly what the OP did. The charge is that it is hypocritical.

Saying that you are a Muslim is to say that the teachings of the Koran is true, and therefore Jesus was not the Son of God and there is no original sin. This is at odds with what a Catholic believes. Either one of you is right, or both of you are wrong. Both of you can't be right about this as there is no middle ground. If you claim that you are a Muslim, indicating that you believe Jesus was just another prophet, and that people are not born into original sin, but yet you turn around and acknowledge that Catholicism is another valid way to know God, then that demonstrates you don't actually believe in the fundamental claims of Islam, the very definition of a hypocrite. This is not my opinion.

Many people believe others can worship in different ways. That one way is best for OP and another way is best for her husband.

The only ones I know who don't believe that are the fundamentalist sects of the Abrahamic faiths.

You are absolutely incorrect, unless you consider Catholicism a fundamentalist sect. Catholics believe that the *only* way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, who they believe is the Son of God. If you do not believe that, you are not Catholic, and you are not going to heaven either. If you are truly a practicing, believing Catholic, then to have your children not believe in Christ would be the ultimate tragedy. Unless OP feels that being Catholic and Muslim is limited to Eid and Christmas trees this is a problem. This is why people are all over OP.

Catholicism is pretty fundy, but since Vatican II it's acknowledged that Protestants and non-Christians can indeed be saved.

"The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church."

Jesus Christ is the only way for Catholics. But not for everyone. No hypocrisy at being OK with your spouse worshiping differently than you.

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Let's try this again. It's entirely possible to believe in one thing, and allow others space to believe in the other. People interpret their religion in all kinds of ways.

That's not what the OP said. OP said

"He is catholic and I think it is a beautiful way to understand God."

This is not just giving someone space to believe in the other. This is acknowledging that another belief system is not just valid, but a beautiful way to understand God. Given the fundamental differences between Christianity and Islam, this simply cannot be an informed viewpoint of either side towards the other.

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Many people believe others can worship in different ways. That one way is best for OP and another way is best for her husband.

The only ones I know who don't believe that are the fundamentalist sects of the Abrahamic faiths.

Yes, many people are hypocritical in their ways. I agree. Many do so unknowingly, which is probably the case with the OP. I wanted to point out the hypocrisy in case it has escaped the OP. Because to live in the knowledge of one's own hypocrisy is to live in a lie or be deceptive to others. I always assume the best of people so I would choose the former. Given that, it's important for people to know when they are living in a lie.

There are some religions and belief systems that accepts different ways of worship. Christianity and Islam, and the denominations thereof, are not among these.

To belief that Jesus is the Son of God is not a "fundamentalist" view. It's the foundation of Christianity. Without Jesus, without Original Sin, it is no longer Christianity. A Christian cannot be wishy washy about Jesus, who he was/is/will-be.

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You are absolutely incorrect, unless you consider Catholicism a fundamentalist sect. Catholics believe that the *only* way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, who they believe is the Son of God. If you do not believe that, you are not Catholic, and you are not going to heaven either. If you are truly a practicing, believing Catholic, then to have your children not believe in Christ would be the ultimate tragedy. Unless OP feels that being Catholic and Muslim is limited to Eid and Christmas trees this is a problem. This is why people are all over OP.

The OP is not Catholic and people are not all over her.

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Anonymous wrote:People like the OP are hypocrites.

You are Muslim, and have remained a Muslim. At least the remaining part is a conscious choice because you believe this is the right way, the one true way to be with God for eternity.

The same for your husband.

You cannot believe in only one true way, but then think that a different way is also a "beautiful way to know God".

If you fancy yourself a person of faith, it should be backed up with conviction. Otherwise you are just a hollow practitioner of rituals.

That's your opinion. It's entirely possible to be a member of one faith but also recognize the legitimacy of the other pathways to God without wanting to appropriate it.

I didn't say it wasn't possible. Obviously it's possible since that's exactly what the OP did. The charge is that it is hypocritical.

Saying that you are a Muslim is to say that the teachings of the Koran is true, and therefore Jesus was not the Son of God and there is no original sin. This is at odds with what a Catholic believes. Either one of you is right, or both of you are wrong. Both of you can't be right about this as there is no middle ground. If you claim that you are a Muslim, indicating that you believe Jesus was just another prophet, and that people are not born into original sin, but yet you turn around and acknowledge that Catholicism is another valid way to know God, then that demonstrates you don't actually believe in the fundamental claims of Islam, the very definition of a hypocrite. This is not my opinion.

Let's try this again. It's entirely possible to believe in one thing, and allow others space to believe in the other. People interpret their religion in all kinds of ways.

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Anonymous wrote:People like the OP are hypocrites.

You are Muslim, and have remained a Muslim. At least the remaining part is a conscious choice because you believe this is the right way, the one true way to be with God for eternity.

The same for your husband.

You cannot believe in only one true way, but then think that a different way is also a "beautiful way to know God".

If you fancy yourself a person of faith, it should be backed up with conviction. Otherwise you are just a hollow practitioner of rituals.

That's your opinion. It's entirely possible to be a member of one faith but also recognize the legitimacy of the other pathways to God without wanting to appropriate it.

I didn't say it wasn't possible. Obviously it's possible since that's exactly what the OP did. The charge is that it is hypocritical.

Saying that you are a Muslim is to say that the teachings of the Koran is true, and therefore Jesus was not the Son of God and there is no original sin. This is at odds with what a Catholic believes. Either one of you is right, or both of you are wrong. Both of you can't be right about this as there is no middle ground. If you claim that you are a Muslim, indicating that you believe Jesus was just another prophet, and that people are not born into original sin, but yet you turn around and acknowledge that Catholicism is another valid way to know God, then that demonstrates you don't actually believe in the fundamental claims of Islam, the very definition of a hypocrite. This is not my opinion.

Many people believe others can worship in different ways. That one way is best for OP and another way is best for her husband.

The only ones I know who don't believe that are the fundamentalist sects of the Abrahamic faiths.

You are absolutely incorrect, unless you consider Catholicism a fundamentalist sect. Catholics believe that the *only* way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, who they believe is the Son of God. If you do not believe that, you are not Catholic, and you are not going to heaven either. If you are truly a practicing, believing Catholic, then to have your children not believe in Christ would be the ultimate tragedy. Unless OP feels that being Catholic and Muslim is limited to Eid and Christmas trees this is a problem. This is why people are all over OP.

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Anonymous wrote:People like the OP are hypocrites.

You are Muslim, and have remained a Muslim. At least the remaining part is a conscious choice because you believe this is the right way, the one true way to be with God for eternity.

The same for your husband.

You cannot believe in only one true way, but then think that a different way is also a "beautiful way to know God".

If you fancy yourself a person of faith, it should be backed up with conviction. Otherwise you are just a hollow practitioner of rituals.

That's your opinion. It's entirely possible to be a member of one faith but also recognize the legitimacy of the other pathways to God without wanting to appropriate it.

I didn't say it wasn't possible. Obviously it's possible since that's exactly what the OP did. The charge is that it is hypocritical.

Saying that you are a Muslim is to say that the teachings of the Koran is true, and therefore Jesus was not the Son of God and there is no original sin. This is at odds with what a Catholic believes. Either one of you is right, or both of you are wrong. Both of you can't be right about this as there is no middle ground. If you claim that you are a Muslim, indicating that you believe Jesus was just another prophet, and that people are not born into original sin, but yet you turn around and acknowledge that Catholicism is another valid way to know God, then that demonstrates you don't actually believe in the fundamental claims of Islam, the very definition of a hypocrite. This is not my opinion.

Many people believe others can worship in different ways. That one way is best for OP and another way is best for her husband.

The only ones I know who don't believe that are the fundamentalist sects of the Abrahamic faiths.

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Anonymous wrote:People like the OP are hypocrites.

You are Muslim, and have remained a Muslim. At least the remaining part is a conscious choice because you believe this is the right way, the one true way to be with God for eternity.

The same for your husband.

You cannot believe in only one true way, but then think that a different way is also a "beautiful way to know God".

If you fancy yourself a person of faith, it should be backed up with conviction. Otherwise you are just a hollow practitioner of rituals.

That's your opinion. It's entirely possible to be a member of one faith but also recognize the legitimacy of the other pathways to God without wanting to appropriate it.

I didn't say it wasn't possible. Obviously it's possible since that's exactly what the OP did. The charge is that it is hypocritical.

Saying that you are a Muslim is to say that the teachings of the Koran is true, and therefore Jesus was not the Son of God and there is no original sin. This is at odds with what a Catholic believes. Either one of you is right, or both of you are wrong. Both of you can't be right about this as there is no middle ground. If you claim that you are a Muslim, indicating that you believe Jesus was just another prophet, and that people are not born into original sin, but yet you turn around and acknowledge that Catholicism is another valid way to know God, then that demonstrates you don't actually believe in the fundamental claims of Islam, the very definition of a hypocrite. This is not my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:What does your family think of this? I'm a Christian woman married to a Muslim man and as you know Islam allows men to marry Christian and Jewish women. But not vice versa. I know if his sisters or his daughters wanted to marry a non-Muslim man, things would be very tense.

In all clarity, the Quran isn't definite about the prohibition on muslim women marrying non-muslim men. All the Quran says is that muslim men can marry women from among "people of the book", that is, christians and jews. It does NOT explicitly state that muslim women CANNOT do that. Muslim scholars have so far interpreted the lack of such an address to women to mean that NO permission is given. I'd like to think its left ambiguous on purpose so that the Muslim community can interpret it to fit the times and best apply its meaning to their unique situation.

If this is OP, I was curious how your family handled this.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn't you discuss religion as it pertains to your future children before you got married?

We have discussed it just not in very great detail. We know we will celebrate christmas and eid and have a christmas tree. we have talked about introducing the children to both mommys faith and daddys faith.

Yeah, this is basically not discussing it.

okay. what else should we talk about?

I'm assuming this is the OP. I am the earlier poster who is married to a Muslim man. The upbringing of children is an explosive subject so it is in your best interest to discuss this. Typical questions:

What will the children be raised as? Understand that if you are saying that you will introduce them to both faiths, then you aren't raising them as anything. That's a valid choice but recognize that this is the choice you are making.

Will the children be allowed or expected to attend a mosque/church? On which occasions? Who will take them? Will the other spouse be expected to attend or just not to interfere? Will the other spouse have the power to ban a certain mosque/church?

What, if any, religious education will the children undergo? Will the other spouse have the power to influence it? What, if any, control will the other spouse have over the religious education of the kids? What, if any, responsibilities will the other spouse have toward facilitating the religious education of the children?

What holidays will you celebrate?

Will there be pork or alcohol in the house? Is the other spouse expected/allowed to consume pork and alcohol? Outside or inside the house? In front of the children or never in front of the children? Will you maintain a halal household? Are the children allowed or not expected to keep halal outside of the house?

What, if any, influence will the religion have over the social choices your children are allowed to make? Conservative Muslim families do not encourage certain friendships. Are your children expected to marry within the faith or not? Are your children allowed to date at all, and if so, what is the extent of it?

There's so much, OP. You need to think about this if you intend to procreate. We did.

Anonymous wrote:People like the OP are hypocrites.

You are Muslim, and have remained a Muslim. At least the remaining part is a conscious choice because you believe this is the right way, the one true way to be with God for eternity.

The same for your husband.

You cannot believe in only one true way, but then think that a different way is also a "beautiful way to know God".

If you fancy yourself a person of faith, it should be backed up with conviction. Otherwise you are just a hollow practitioner of rituals.

That's your opinion. It's entirely possible to be a member of one faith but also recognize the legitimacy of the other pathways to God without wanting to appropriate it.

People like the OP are hypocrites.

You are Muslim, and have remained a Muslim. At least the remaining part is a conscious choice because you believe this is the right way, the one true way to be with God for eternity.

The same for your husband.

You cannot believe in only one true way, but then think that a different way is also a "beautiful way to know God".

If you fancy yourself a person of faith, it should be backed up with conviction. Otherwise you are just a hollow practitioner of rituals.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn't you discuss religion as it pertains to your future children before you got married?

We have discussed it just not in very great detail. We know we will celebrate christmas and eid and have a christmas tree. we have talked about introducing the children to both mommys faith and daddys faith.

Yeah, this is basically not discussing it.

okay. what else should we talk about?