I see an attractive man maybe once every five years here in the DC area, so I can't even remember how attractive men supposedly act.

Of course, 99 percent of men think they're very attractive, anyway, so I don't think creepy/shady behavior is about that.

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Anonymous wrote:One random handsome guy was a total douchebag when I spoke to him at a club. It was a costume party and I wanted to ask him about his costume. He assumed I was hitting on him because I was talking to him. I've never had such a bad reaction to a meaningless question. He acted like I was creepy. I'm not hideous, but I had close to 20 years on him. It was just weird. I explained all of that to say that the perception of two people having the same conversation can be completely different.

I've known plenty of good attractive guys. The most attractive one seems to not know how good he looks.

What you describe here is what men deal with all the time.

Ok, the starting point here is "club." How many people go to a club to have a normal random conversation with strangers?

I had plenty of other conversations that night. Costume parties lend themselves to conversation. Dude was just a self-absorbed douche.

There is some truth to that OP, some.

Trust me though, there are also plenty of unattractive men who are jerks too.

Who cheat, lie......etc.

The whole gamut.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like the higher percentage of men who do creepy things like hit on you when they are married are also handsome man who you wouldn't think would have to resort to such behavior. Or the guy that you been in date and then find out there are shady things about them also tends to be that good looking guy. Ugly men seem to be very straight forward.

Formerly handsome, and the answer is that I fell under some influence from jewish intellectual phillip roth, who suggests in one of his novels that you can get your way with women if you hit on them inappropriately such that they will be reluctant to tell the story to others (lest they appear to have invited the conduct). Roth says if you want a woman to keep an affair a secret to have sex with the wives of your best friends.

I interpreted this a bit more broadly and it generally works.

I think being handsome adds a layer of security because it further makes the woman look like she invited the advance.

So for many years I used this strategy with a very high rate of success, until I settled down with a woman I finally fell in love with.

Does Judaism relate to this? You sound like an anti semite

difference between flirting and sexual harassment is how hot the guy is.

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Anonymous wrote:I think of creep as someone who has a tendency to violate the boundaries of others, either mentally or physically.

It gets associated with unattractive men because women usually don't want to associate with them. So any social interaction with an unattractive man, beyond what is strictly necessary, becomes creepy almost by default.

Definitely my understanding of it. I recall that SNL skit with Tom Brady, "How to avoid sexual harassment: be attractive". Creeps are people who don't take no for an answer and kind of skulk around.

Announcer: See? It can be done. You can have sex with women at work without losing your job, by following a few simple rules:

[ the rules are displayed on-screen with accompanying check marks ]

Be Handsome..
Be Attractive..
and Don't Be Unattractive.

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/04/04qfunhouse.phtml

Anonymous wrote:I think of creep as someone who has a tendency to violate the boundaries of others, either mentally or physically.

It gets associated with unattractive men because women usually don't want to associate with them. So any social interaction with an unattractive man, beyond what is strictly necessary, becomes creepy almost by default.

Definitely my understanding of it. I recall that SNL skit with Tom Brady, "How to avoid sexual harassment: be attractive". Creeps are people who don't take no for an answer and kind of skulk around.

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Anonymous wrote:One random handsome guy was a total douchebag when I spoke to him at a club. It was a costume party and I wanted to ask him about his costume. He assumed I was hitting on him because I was talking to him. I've never had such a bad reaction to a meaningless question. He acted like I was creepy. I'm not hideous, but I had close to 20 years on him. It was just weird. I explained all of that to say that the perception of two people having the same conversation can be completely different.

I've known plenty of good attractive guys. The most attractive one seems to not know how good he looks.

What you describe here is what men deal with all the time.

Ok, the starting point here is "club." How many people go to a club to have a normal random conversation with strangers?

Anonymous wrote:Attractive men are used to women throwing themselves at them, so they get accustomed to the idea that they can do whatever they want, because there will always be a woman waiting for them. Unattractive guys have had to work harder for women, so are less likely to do stupid stuff to screw it up.

Hilarious and ridiculous. Just like good looking women, people assume that everyone wants the good looking person and throws themselves at the good looking person; they then assume the good looking person is stuck up and conceited, and even snubs other people. People are intimidated by and avoid talking to good looking people. In short: it's pretty much the opposite of what you are saying. Many women assume good looking guys have a harem on call, and are out to do nothing but use a woman, and they avoid them.

To more directly answer the original question: just because you are a good looking guy, it does not follow that a) your wife is fucking you or b) that you don't find other women attractive. Being good looking has nothing to do with cheating. Why would being good looking have anything to do with this?

I think of creep as someone who has a tendency to violate the boundaries of others, either mentally or physically.

It gets associated with unattractive men because women usually don't want to associate with them. So any social interaction with an unattractive man, beyond what is strictly necessary, becomes creepy almost by default.

Anonymous wrote:One random handsome guy was a total douchebag when I spoke to him at a club. It was a costume party and I wanted to ask him about his costume. He assumed I was hitting on him because I was talking to him. I've never had such a bad reaction to a meaningless question. He acted like I was creepy. I'm not hideous, but I had close to 20 years on him. It was just weird. I explained all of that to say that the perception of two people having the same conversation can be completely different.

I've known plenty of good attractive guys. The most attractive one seems to not know how good he looks.

What you describe here is what men deal with all the time.

From the context, sounds like OP was referring more to, say, jerks and douchebags than "creeps."

I think of "creep" more as the ugly, socially awkward guy who just barely has the temerity to express romantic interest in a pretty girl.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugly men ALWAYS want you to see their penis. They think it's some magic stick that casts love spells on you with one peek. I know this to be fact. Every ugly guy I dated showed me his penis on our first and only date. Once I ran screaming from the car. I later told that damn guy I thought he meant the rock group White Snake ! Not show me his white snake ! I said Don't EVER CALL ME AGAIN !

After that trauma, I dated good looking guys. The penis didn't come out until I asked.

Im with you. I only date hot guys. They have less of a chip on their shoulder. And they are easier to look at.

And I agree about the obsession with showing their penis. it's pathetic.

Okay, this is funny, but a crock of s**t. I'm married now but dated all kinds of men, and nobody ever showed me their penis on the first date unless there wasn't mutual thing going on. There are creepy homely men and creepy handsome men; the only difference, as PP said, is that handsome men are less likely to be considered creepy because their advances will be more welcome .

This thread is rather immature. It's fine to only date handsome men but to say that ugly men akways show their penis is just stupid.

*^ unless there was a mutual thing going on.