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I think it's important to point out that they are not "Common Core math word problems". They are word problems from curricula that are (or claim to be) aligned to the Common Core standards. There are bad curricula and good curricula aligned to the Common Core standards, just as there were bad curricula and good curricula before the Common Core standards.


+1000. There seem to be some persistent CC haters who wish to confuse the issue.


And there are the freaks who constantly jump to defend common core every chance they get. COMMON CORE SUCKS!!!!

Stating that CC is a set of standards isn't defending anything. It's a fact. You may want to start acquainting yourself with those little inconveniences called facts. Throwing internet tantrums with all caps proclaiming CC SUCKS convinces no one of anything other than your lunacy. You and other detractors continually fail in your attempts to discredit the standards because, quite simply, you don't know what you're talking about and you can't find anything substantially wrong with the standards. Even the hater poster who loves to post links from all the many people who hate CC (not so many) are unconvincing because their articles discuss teacher training, the impact of scores on teacher evaluation, standardized testing....everything but the standards themselves.

Give it up. The standards are solid. They are here to stay. They continue a culture of establishing standards that was expanded during NCLB, when "accountability" became the watchword. As such, we are living in a culture of our own creation.

Also, you're a hypocrite if you rail against CC and standards and have ever used test scores to judge whether a school was "good".

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Anonymous wrote:

Best tell that to those selling curriculum with CC stamped on the bottom. You would think the same individuals who created the standards would be concerned about the proper implementation and not allow rogue companies to use their 'brand' to profit on bad curriculum. Yet they aren't...hmmmmm....

So they either don't care how CC is implemented or are in bed with curriculum designers. Which is it?

Is Common Core trademarked? Who, exactly, would sue people for putting out bad curricula, and what would they sue them for?

What does that have to do with the price of apples? Public school is not run by free market - it's run by government.

Since the curriculum for public schools implementing CC is done through the state and local governments, I'm assuming there must be processes and procedures for choosing curricula. So I guess the answer is - they are all in bed together.

No, I am the same poster who wrote on another thread that classroom teachers are not necessarily the best-qualified people to write standards.

Then who?

Is Common Core trademarked? Who, exactly, would sue people for putting out bad curricula, and what would they sue them for?

Don't think so. But, PARCC is closely aligned with those who wrote CC.

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Best tell that to those selling curriculum with CC stamped on the bottom. You would think the same individuals who created the standards would be concerned about the proper implementation and not allow rogue companies to use their 'brand' to profit on bad curriculum. Yet they aren't...hmmmmm....

So they either don't care how CC is implemented or are in bed with curriculum designers. Which is it?

Is Common Core trademarked? Who, exactly, would sue people for putting out bad curricula, and what would they sue them for?

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If you don't like the implementation of the Common Core standards, ok. It is nonetheless a fact that there is no such thing as "Common Core math word problems".

Are you the same poster who wrote on another thread that the people who wrote the standards were "experts" in writing standards?

No, I am the same poster who wrote on another thread that classroom teachers are not necessarily the best-qualified people to write standards.

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I'm the PP you answered. I think that person (and others like her), KNOW the CC background which is why they are trying so hard to separate the standards from the implementation.

Yes. You are probably right. NO one could think that the "standards" put on a pedestal will solve our educational problems.

I don't think that anybody does think that the Common Core standards, or any other standards, all by themselves, will solve all of our educational problems. If anybody did think that, that person would be a fool.

If you don't like the implementation of the Common Core standards, ok. It is nonetheless a fact that there is no such thing as "Common Core math word problems".

Are you the same poster who wrote on another thread that the people who wrote the standards were "experts" in writing standards?

ps. Not only do we not know HOW they were selected, we do not know WHO selected them.

So they either don't care how CC is implemented or are in bed with curriculum designers. Which is it?

Well, since they attempted to keep these committee secret, and, even now, we do not know how they were selected, it does give food for thought.

I'm the PP you answered. I think that person (and others like her), KNOW the CC background which is why they are trying so hard to separate the standards from the implementation.

Yes. You are probably right. NO one could think that the "standards" put on a pedestal will solve our educational problems.

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Anonymous wrote:

You must be a policy wonk who has no understanding that implementation of standards make or break them. You can create whatever 'policy' you want, but if it's not implemented correctly, your 'policy' will fail. Not rocket science.

So the CC supporters like yourself can quote standards all you want, but until you show me proper implementation in the classrooms, and how that implementation translates into positive results, you have nothing but a bunch of words on paper.

Bingo! There's a poster on here who responds every time that CC Standards stand alone. She obviously has not read the CC background.

If you don't like the implementation of the Common Core standards, ok. It is nonetheless a fact that there is no such thing as "Common Core math word problems".

Best tell that to those selling curriculum with CC stamped on the bottom. You would think the same individuals who created the standards would be concerned about the proper implementation and not allow rogue companies to use their 'brand' to profit on bad curriculum. Yet they aren't...hmmmmm....

So they either don't care how CC is implemented or are in bed with curriculum designers. Which is it?

Anonymous wrote:

You must be a policy wonk who has no understanding that implementation of standards make or break them. You can create whatever 'policy' you want, but if it's not implemented correctly, your 'policy' will fail. Not rocket science.

So the CC supporters like yourself can quote standards all you want, but until you show me proper implementation in the classrooms, and how that implementation translates into positive results, you have nothing but a bunch of words on paper.

Bingo! There's a poster on here who responds every time that CC Standards stand alone. She obviously has not read the CC background

I'm the PP you answered. I think that person (and others like her), KNOW the CC background which is why they are trying so hard to separate the standards from the implementation.

If you don't like the implementation of the Common Core standards, ok. It is nonetheless a fact that there is no such thing as "Common Core math word problems".

So, if the standards are so confusing to curriculum designers (some who helped write the standards) and the test publishers (ditto), you agree there is a problem?

Anonymous wrote:

You must be a policy wonk who has no understanding that implementation of standards make or break them. You can create whatever 'policy' you want, but if it's not implemented correctly, your 'policy' will fail. Not rocket science.

So the CC supporters like yourself can quote standards all you want, but until you show me proper implementation in the classrooms, and how that implementation translates into positive results, you have nothing but a bunch of words on paper.

Bingo! There's a poster on here who responds every time that CC Standards stand alone. She obviously has not read the CC background.

If you don't like the implementation of the Common Core standards, ok. It is nonetheless a fact that there is no such thing as "Common Core math word problems".