Anonymous wrote:
So should Christians stand up and denounce the killing of abortion doctors? Would it change anything....I mean those who murder a doctor in cold blood really are not going to listen to anyone.


Of course they should. And many do.

You are missing the point. It does not matter who denounces them and calls them terrorist. The terrorist don't listen to them.

Anonymous wrote:Well, I think piers would feel better if the leaders of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, etc. weighed in...right?

Pre-US invasion, Iraq was one of the better place for religious minorities in the Middle East - Assyrians, Armenians, Khaldeans, etc. They all went bye-bye. Say what you want about Bashar Assad, but Christians and Armenians under his rule had a peaceful, unmolested, and reasonably powerful life.

^^Forgot the link:

http://abonnes.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/01/10/a-saint-denis-collegiens-et-lyceens-ne-sont-pas-tous-charlie_4553048_3224.html

^^ On the other hand, there is some ferment in neighborhoods with predominantly Muslim youth, with some of them making statements to the effect that:

" I have no pity for Charb. He did the drawings. He has no respect for us Muslims. But there was no need to kill 12 people. They could have just killed him."

" If they killed Charlie, it's because he didn't respect religion. He attacked Islam, and there he got to see an other side of Islam, which is anger. If Charlie continues [to be published?], there's going to be youth unrest over here."

"I am not Charlie" (written on a fake bomb with a just a detonator and cables placed in the teachers' lounge at a high school with a large Muslim population).

Anonymous wrote:So should Christians stand up and denounce the killing of abortion doctors? Would it change anything....I mean those who murder a doctor in cold blood really are not going to listen to anyone.

Of course they should. And many do.

Why not just ignore the clergymen of all stripes and the governmental entities who teach bigotry out of one side of their mouths and then issue "statements" distancing themselves from the disastrous result of their activities--how gracious of them to send roses to the funeral of the people they helped murder.

There are far more inspiring examples:

http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-worker-at-kosher-grocery-store-saved-customers-from-gunman-by-hiding-them-in-walk-in-freezer-211721268.html

As well as the truly heartbreaking statement by the brother of Ahmed Merabet, the Muslim policeman who was killed in the massacre:
http://abonnes.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/01/10/mon-frere-etait-musulman-il-s-est-fait-abattre-par-des-faux-musulmans_4553499_3224.html

Translation of the video:

"A Frenchman of Algerian descent and a Muslim, he was proud to be named Ahmed Merabet, to represent the French police force, and to defend the values of the Republic: liberty, equality, fraternity. Through sheer determination, he had earned his detective diploma and was slated to soon leave the patrol. His colleagues describe him as a man of action who was passionate about his career. Ahmed was a man of commitment who was determined to care for his mom and his loved ones since our father died 20 years ago. As the rock of our family, he did not let his responsibilities get in the way of protecting his mom, teasing his brother, spoiling his nieces and nephews, and being a loving partner. We are devastated by this barbaric act, and we share in the grief of the families of all the victims. I would now like to address all the racists, islamophobes, and anti-semites: don't confound extremists and Muslims. Madmen have no particular skin color or religion. And one more thing: stop mixing everything up. Stop launching wars. Stop burning mosques and synagogues. Stop attacking people. It won't bring back the dead, and it won't soothe their families. Thank you."

Sort of. But leaving dictator thugs in power isn't necessarily a great alternative.

I know there aren't any easy answers. I guess I just wish everyone could act like responsible adults and treat each other with respect. Why is it so hard to embrace basic commonsense human behavior instead of acting like savages? And I guess I'm just so flipping frustrated that the international community has allowed many Arab nations to promote or condone serious human rights violations (including treating women like property) by writing it off as cultural or religious beliefs. That has led to generations of men being raised to believe that it's the cultural norm, and that their religion calls for it. The indoctrination of the extremists is (sadly) easily understood. That's the real issue I suppose.

I mean, if my parish priest all of a sudden said it's time for us to (insert ridiculous laundry list of barbaric rules and practices), no one would jump on his bandwagon. I guess I just don't see how the international community can fix the problem...it's too big...it's too far gone.

Maybe that's a great topic for a new thread: How do you fix this problem?

Aside from decimating a few countries (which I am not proposing), how do you fix the problem?

Switching gears slightly: Anonymous has declared war on the jihadists. They posted a video saying they will attack their social media and other web based networks. Maybe that's a start.

Anonymous wrote:Agreed, Jeff...to a point. But that's just Iraq.

Syria and Libya are similar examples.

Agreed, Jeff...to a point. But that's just Iraq.

Anonymous wrote:Well that's nifty! Way to go Saudi Arabia!

Wondering if the decades of Arab countries promoting or at the very least tolerating extremist views, laws and human rights violations (which, let's face it, have created the environment that bred the groups promoting violence and terrorism) can magically fix the problem now that they've issued a statement against these specific incidents?

Say what you want about Piers and Fox News, but I think I understand where they are coming from. It's nice to hear that some Muslim group in Canada has issued a statement...but they aren't the problem. I think what we need to happen is have the countries that are harboring Al Queda and ISIS step up and either handle their business or publicly request assistance from other countries. And hindsight being 20-20, wouldn't it be nice if those Arab nations that are in crisis now might have seen this coming and perhaps done something to promote a more civilized 21st century society instead of legitimizing barbaric laws and doing very little to clamp down on the extremist groups as they developed and gained power.

Saddam had jihadists under control. Then, he got visited by representatives of an enlightened democracy. Now IS controls half of his country. The problem is not always with the other guys.

Anonymous wrote:Mormons aren't Christians. Go take the tour in Salt Lake City.

Terrorists aren't religious people. Period.

And your comments are PC run amok. You can't have it both ways. Either Muslims are peaceful people (which is what I believe), or the terrorists are good examples of Muslims (which I think is poppycock).

If I shot up an abortion clinic in the name of Catholicism, then I am not a good catholic...I'm a terrorist.

We'll, Imam Anjem Choudary seems pretty religious to me, and he sure as heck justifies terrorism. I'm no big fan of Hannity, but this interview following the Hebdo attack is awfully enlightening. http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/transcript/2015/01/08/radical-imam-anjem-choudary-charlie-hebdo-attack

You can say "Faux new lies etc," but Choudary is speaking for himself here, and the exchange does not appear to have been edited or taken out of context.

Well that's nifty! Way to go Saudi Arabia!

Wondering if the decades of Arab countries promoting or at the very least tolerating extremist views, laws and human rights violations (which, let's face it, have created the environment that bred the groups promoting violence and terrorism) can magically fix the problem now that they've issued a statement against these specific incidents?

Say what you want about Piers and Fox News, but I think I understand where they are coming from. It's nice to hear that some Muslim group in Canada has issued a statement...but they aren't the problem. I think what we need to happen is have the countries that are harboring Al Queda and ISIS step up and either handle their business or publicly request assistance from other countries. And hindsight being 20-20, wouldn't it be nice if those Arab nations that are in crisis now might have seen this coming and perhaps done something to promote a more civilized 21st century society instead of legitimizing barbaric laws and doing very little to clamp down on the extremist groups as they developed and gained power.

Anonymous wrote:Well, I think piers would feel better if the leaders of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, etc. weighed in...right?

Saudi Arabia issued a condemnation of the attack on Charlie Hebdo. Then, it flogged a blogger for insulting Islam.

Well, I think piers would feel better if the leaders of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, etc. weighed in...right?

There are dozens of examples now circulating of major Muslim organizations and leaders condemning and denouncing the Charlie Hebdo attackers, to include CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Arab League, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA, Muslim Council of Britain, French Muslim Council (CFCM), Union of Islamic Organizations of France (UOIF), Dalil Boubakeur, imam at the mosque of Paris, Hassen Chalghoumi, imam of the Drancy mosque in Paris’s Seine-Saint-Denis suburb, The Islamic Cooperation Organization (ICO), The National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM), Canadian Council of Imams, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Canada, Muslim Canadian Congress, Al-Azhar, Saudi Arabian Government, Qatar Foreign Ministry, United Arab Emirates Foreign Ministry, Malaysia's Prime Minister, Morocco's King Mohammed, Indonesia's Foreign Ministry, Egypt Foreign Ministry, Turkey Foreign Ministry, Lebanon Foreign Ministry, Iran Foreign Ministry, even Hezbollah and Hamas have denounced the Paris attackers. Yet what we continue to hear from FOX News and idiots like Piers Morgan are "why aren't any Muslims stepping up to denouce this?"