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Anonymous wrote:I know, I know, this has nothing to do with OP's question... But when I was growing up in Asia in 70s, we had 60 to 70 kids per class. Teachers had absolutely no issues at all. If you make trouble, they would beat the s*it out of you. Complete terror.

I had a student (2nd grader) tell me last week that he is going to call the DSS on his other teacher because she is "forcing" them to do homework. Kids these days are unbelievable. When I was in school, all a teacher had to do was give you "the look" and that was all it took. Now kids have no fear at all.

When was this? When I was in school in the 1970s, there was plenty of bad behavior and delinquency.

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I agree but these days, kids have absolutely no fear about calling the authorities on their parents/teachers/caregivers.

If the second-grader actually calls the Department of Social Services on his teacher, I will be very impressed with his enterprise, ingenuity, and ability to manage bureaucracy.

I am sure DSS number was on his speed dial along with his lawyer`s number.

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Anonymous wrote:I know, I know, this has nothing to do with OP's question... But when I was growing up in Asia in 70s, we had 60 to 70 kids per class. Teachers had absolutely no issues at all. If you make trouble, they would beat the s*it out of you. Complete terror.

I had a student (2nd grader) tell me last week that he is going to call the DSS on his other teacher because she is "forcing" them to do homework. Kids these days are unbelievable. When I was in school, all a teacher had to do was give you "the look" and that was all it took. Now kids have no fear at all.

When was this? When I was in school in the 1970s, there was plenty of bad behavior and delinquency.

I agree but these days, kids have absolutely no fear about calling the authorities on their parents/teachers/caregivers.

If the second-grader actually calls the Department of Social Services on his teacher, I will be very impressed with his enterprise, ingenuity, and ability to manage bureaucracy.

There was a case a while back in the UK about a boy (not sure of the age, maybe 10?) who called child services on his mom because she was trying to make him clean his room. He called 999 (their 911) and said his mom was trying to use child slave labor. The 999 operator laughed.

Back to OP's post. I thought in MCSP they were trying to keep the sizes in K-2 to about 26, and 3-5 about 28 or so?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know, I know, this has nothing to do with OP's question... But when I was growing up in Asia in 70s, we had 60 to 70 kids per class. Teachers had absolutely no issues at all. If you make trouble, they would beat the s*it out of you. Complete terror.

I had a student (2nd grader) tell me last week that he is going to call the DSS on his other teacher because she is "forcing" them to do homework. Kids these days are unbelievable. When I was in school, all a teacher had to do was give you "the look" and that was all it took. Now kids have no fear at all.

When was this? When I was in school in the 1970s, there was plenty of bad behavior and delinquency.

I agree but these days, kids have absolutely no fear about calling the authorities on their parents/teachers/caregivers.

If the second-grader actually calls the Department of Social Services on his teacher, I will be very impressed with his enterprise, ingenuity, and ability to manage bureaucracy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know, I know, this has nothing to do with OP's question... But when I was growing up in Asia in 70s, we had 60 to 70 kids per class. Teachers had absolutely no issues at all. If you make trouble, they would beat the s*it out of you. Complete terror.

I had a student (2nd grader) tell me last week that he is going to call the DSS on his other teacher because she is "forcing" them to do homework. Kids these days are unbelievable. When I was in school, all a teacher had to do was give you "the look" and that was all it took. Now kids have no fear at all.

When was this? When I was in school in the 1970s, there was plenty of bad behavior and delinquency.

I agree but these days, kids have absolutely no fear about calling the authorities on their parents/teachers/caregivers.

Kids these days!

Also, get off my lawn.

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Anonymous wrote:I know, I know, this has nothing to do with OP's question... But when I was growing up in Asia in 70s, we had 60 to 70 kids per class. Teachers had absolutely no issues at all. If you make trouble, they would beat the s*it out of you. Complete terror.

I had a student (2nd grader) tell me last week that he is going to call the DSS on his other teacher because she is "forcing" them to do homework. Kids these days are unbelievable. When I was in school, all a teacher had to do was give you "the look" and that was all it took. Now kids have no fear at all.

same for home life, IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:I know, I know, this has nothing to do with OP's question... But when I was growing up in Asia in 70s, we had 60 to 70 kids per class. Teachers had absolutely no issues at all. If you make trouble, they would beat the s*it out of you. Complete terror.

I had a student (2nd grader) tell me last week that he is going to call the DSS on his other teacher because she is "forcing" them to do homework. Kids these days are unbelievable. When I was in school, all a teacher had to do was give you "the look" and that was all it took. Now kids have no fear at all.

When was this? When I was in school in the 1970s, there was plenty of bad behavior and delinquency.

Anonymous wrote:I know, I know, this has nothing to do with OP's question... But when I was growing up in Asia in 70s, we had 60 to 70 kids per class. Teachers had absolutely no issues at all. If you make trouble, they would beat the s*it out of you. Complete terror.

I had a student (2nd grader) tell me last week that he is going to call the DSS on his other teacher because she is "forcing" them to do homework. Kids these days are unbelievable. When I was in school, all a teacher had to do was give you "the look" and that was all it took. Now kids have no fear at all.

Best year of my son's elementary education in MoCo, he had 33 kids in his class (one teacher, no aide). Worry more about the teacher than the class size.

I know, I know, this has nothing to do with OP's question... But when I was growing up in Asia in 70s, we had 60 to 70 kids per class. Teachers had absolutely no issues at all. If you make trouble, they would beat the s*it out of you. Complete terror.

Anonymous wrote:I can think of one or two kids growing up who had learning problems. Now, every other kid seems to have a learning disability. Hell, I probably would be diagnosed with one now if I were in school. I couldn't read in kindergarten or barely by the end of first grade. Now, I would most likely be given an IEP. Why do so many kids get diagnosed now?

Because people know a lot more about learning disabilities than they used to. Also because public schools didn't used to accept children with severe disabilities, but now federal law requires them to, which is a very good thing.

Anonymous wrote:But back then, teachers weren't expected to differentiate instruction. They taught one math lesson and that's it. Yes, we did have reading groups back then but I think in my ES classes, we had 3 groups. Our teacher would read a different story with each group and then send us back to work on the questions at the end of it. Somehow we all did just fine.

I'm the CCES poster above and this was a differentiated classroom - it was the highest of three reading/language arts/grammar classes. There were three teachers and we switched for math, reading and social studies according to ability - one teacher would have the highest level group for each. Don't remember what we did for science or anything else though.

I can think of one or two kids growing up who had learning problems. Now, every other kid seems to have a learning disability. Hell, I probably would be diagnosed with one now if I were in school. I couldn't read in kindergarten or barely by the end of first grade. Now, I would most likely be given an IEP. Why do so many kids get diagnosed now?