Anonymous
Post 11/11/2014 20:04     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
My parents got an annulment bc my dad (a non-Catholic) married another Catholic. My mom went along with it in order to maintain a good relationship with him. But the church basically treated my mom like dogshit. She pulled us out of the church after that and we haven't been back since that happened 30 years ago.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2014 19:32     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
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I can't fathom how the wife allow the marriage to be "erased" by the church. Why wouldn't she want her ex to be held as accountable as possible and not be able to marry again before God for being such a thoughtless, selfish d*ckhead?! Again, seems like a great way to let someone basically give themselves a clean slate and get to start all over again in the church even though the truth is they were awful to another person, including their kids.


My uncle got an annulment from my aunt about 35 years. She didn't want it but he "donated" enough money to the church to get it. He made their two children bastards in the eyes of the church.


No such thing as bastardy in Catholicism.


That's not what the priest I talked to told me when he said he wouldn't marry me because my fiance wouldn't convert.


That would not be correct. You can marry a non-Catholic in a Catholic marriage so long as the non-Catholic agrees to raise any children Catholic. As I recall, however, the marriage ceremony cannot be a nuptial mass.


Indeed you can marry a non Catholic and agree to raise the children Catholic. I was raised RC and married a non baptized non Catholic in a Catholic wedding ceremony, not a full nuptial Mass...our ceremony was 20 minutes! I left the church and are raising three Presbyterians with my still not baptized DH.

Also, several Kennedy family members have had marriages annulled. My parents close friends had their 40 something year marriage annulled...they had nine children and at least as many grandchildren.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2014 18:54     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
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Just getting a divorce placing you outside the church forever.


Another untruth. My priest supported me through my divorce. I receive communion every Sunday and have received Reconciliation monthly.


your priest is breaking the rules. If the bishop found out, he'd be in trouble


No. He's not. As long as she isn't sleeping around and hasn't remarried, she hasn't violated a sacrament. The Church will hope for reconcilation between the spouses or annulment if she wishes to remarry.


Oh, right, according to the church you're still married, because it doesn't recognize the divorce. It's only if you try to normalize your life by having a sexual relationship or remarrying that the church rejects you - or gives you the option of buying an annulment from them.


Obviously you're not a member of the church so why do you care so much about its set-up? Really curious.
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Post 11/11/2014 15:33     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
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Just getting a divorce placing you outside the church forever.


Another untruth. My priest supported me through my divorce. I receive communion every Sunday and have received Reconciliation monthly.


your priest is breaking the rules. If the bishop found out, he'd be in trouble


No. He's not. As long as she isn't sleeping around and hasn't remarried, she hasn't violated a sacrament. The Church will hope for reconcilation between the spouses or annulment if she wishes to remarry.


Oh, right, according to the church you're still married, because it doesn't recognize the divorce. It's only if you try to normalize your life by having a sexual relationship or remarrying that the church rejects you - or gives you the option of buying an annulment from them.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2014 14:24     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
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Just getting a divorce placing you outside the church forever.


Another untruth. My priest supported me through my divorce. I receive communion every Sunday and have received Reconciliation monthly.


your priest is breaking the rules. If the bishop found out, he'd be in trouble


No. He's not. As long as she isn't sleeping around and hasn't remarried, she hasn't violated a sacrament. The Church will hope for reconcilation between the spouses or annulment if she wishes to remarry.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2014 14:15     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
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Just getting a divorce placing you outside the church forever.


Another untruth. My priest supported me through my divorce. I receive communion every Sunday and have received Reconciliation monthly.


your priest is breaking the rules. If the bishop found out, he'd be in trouble


Absolutely not! You can be divorced and a Catholic in good standing who may receive the sacrments. Remarriage is the problem.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2014 14:03     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
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Just getting a divorce placing you outside the church forever.


Another untruth. My priest supported me through my divorce. I receive communion every Sunday and have received Reconciliation monthly.


your priest is breaking the rules. If the bishop found out, he'd be in trouble
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2014 12:34     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
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Just getting a divorce placing you outside the church forever.


Another untruth. My priest supported me through my divorce. I receive communion every Sunday and have received Reconciliation monthly.


Agree--divorce is not a problem. But without an annulment, you can't remarry within the Catholic church.
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Post 11/11/2014 11:56     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
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Just getting a divorce placing you outside the church forever.


Another untruth. My priest supported me through my divorce. I receive communion every Sunday and have received Reconciliation monthly.
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Post 11/11/2014 11:46     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
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Anonymous wrote:The annulment process just says that the marriage you entered into was not a sacramental one. It was still a marriage, but not sacrament. If not a sacrament, then it can be broken. The children are still born into 'wedlock', they are just like all the other children born to couples not married by the Catholic Church.

Also, the pp who says that as a Catholic one can marry a non-catholic (as long as you promise to raise your children catholic) is correct. In this case also, however, you technically do not receive the sacrament of marriage because it can not be given to only 'half' the couple.


I believe the non catholic must be a Christian of some sort.


No, the nonCatholic spouse need not be Christian.

In some countries, only religious marriage exists--there are no civil marriages. In those countries, a Catholic would have to get an annulment to end the marriage, regardless of whether he or she wanted to remarry.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2014 01:27     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
Oh, right. I forgot reason number 26 for leaving the Catholic Church. Thanks.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2014 00:58     Subject: Re:What's the point of getting an annulment?
Depends on if your asking about a civil annulment or a religious annulment. Assuming your asking about a religious one, the only purpose really is so you can remarry within the same religion. Naturally the only religions that have this are ones that have rules against second marriages. The Catholic church being a primary example religion that has annulments.

Civil annulments are similar to a divorce except for civil annulments treat the marriage as if it never existed. Most civil annulments occur shortly after a marriage, within a few weeks or months.
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Post 11/11/2014 00:18     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
Anonymous wrote:The annulment process just says that the marriage you entered into was not a sacramental one. It was still a marriage, but not sacrament. If not a sacrament, then it can be broken. The children are still born into 'wedlock', they are just like all the other children born to couples not married by the Catholic Church.

Also, the pp who says that as a Catholic one can marry a non-catholic (as long as you promise to raise your children catholic) is correct. In this case also, however, you technically do not receive the sacrament of marriage because it can not be given to only 'half' the couple.


I believe the non catholic must be a Christian of some sort.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 23:59     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't understand how the church can say a marriage didn't exist. It sounds like BS that allows one or two people who really screwed up a sort of cop out and removes accountability--in the eyes of the church-- for their bad choices or plain old bad behavior. And if you're such a devoted Catholic and all concerned about things being done "properly" before the eyes of God or whatever, isn't it basically too little, too late? Maybe you should have thought about being a good spouse or just a better person to begin with if you're the one who messed up your marriage by cheating/drinking/gambling/abusing? I heard a story about a couple that had a few kids and the husband basically just couldn't hack the stress of being married and left his wife but continued sending checks for the kids. Supposedly they eventually got an annulment.

I can't fathom how the wife allow the marriage to be "erased" by the church. Why wouldn't she want her ex to be held as accountable as possible and not be able to marry again before God for being such a thoughtless, selfish d*ckhead?! Again, seems like a great way to let someone basically give themselves a clean slate and get to start all over again in the church even though the truth is they were awful to another person, including their kids.


The point is to be able to marry again in the Catholic church and to continue to receive the sacraments. Just getting a divorce placing you outside the church forever.

I know people who got annulments years after getting a divorce. One person in the original couple wanted to marry again in the church to a Cathoiic. In another case, the guy wanted to enter the priesthood. You have to contact your former mate and ask them to fill out papers saying it wasn't a real marriage. You also need witnesses who are willing to say it.
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Post 11/10/2014 21:57     Subject: What's the point of getting an annulment?
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I can't fathom how the wife allow the marriage to be "erased" by the church. Why wouldn't she want her ex to be held as accountable as possible and not be able to marry again before God for being such a thoughtless, selfish d*ckhead?! Again, seems like a great way to let someone basically give themselves a clean slate and get to start all over again in the church even though the truth is they were awful to another person, including their kids.


My uncle got an annulment from my aunt about 35 years. She didn't want it but he "donated" enough money to the church to get it. He made their two children bastards in the eyes of the church.


No such thing as bastardy in Catholicism.


That's not what the priest I talked to told me when he said he wouldn't marry me because my fiance wouldn't convert.


That would not be correct. You can marry a non-Catholic in a Catholic marriage so long as the non-Catholic agrees to raise any children Catholic. As I recall, however, the marriage ceremony cannot be a nuptial mass.


No, you can have a nuptial mass. My parents did 40 years ago and I did 17 years ago.