Anonymous
10/11/2014 12:24
Subject: Re:SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:These scores are only part of the picture. An increasing number of students are opting to take the ACT instead of the SAT.
Relatively few take only the ACT and about 3-4 times as many students take the SAT as the ACT. About 75% of FCPS students take the SAT.
Anonymous
10/11/2014 12:03
Subject: Re:SAT Scores in FCPS
These scores are only part of the picture. An increasing number of students are opting to take the ACT instead of the SAT.
Anonymous
10/11/2014 11:40
Subject: SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Reading Math Writing
Thomas Jefferson 724 766 729 2219
Langley High 620 635 610 1865
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Oakton High 595 618 590 1803
Woodson High 596 614 588 1798
Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774
Chantilly High 566 590 554 1710
Herndon High 567 575 554 1696
Lake Braddock 563 577 553 1693
Westfield High 560 580 544 1684
Robinson Secondary 558 575 549 1682
South Lakes 562 567 547 1676
West Springfield 565 566 544 1675
Centreville High 548 568 542 1658
South County 552 560 539 1651
Fairfax High 544 561 531 1636
West Potomac 536 535 529 1600
Hayfield Secondary 525 516 509 1550
Falls Church 517 538 494 1549
Annandale High 501 527 497 1525
Edison High 505 514 497 1516
Lee High 502 517 493 1512
Stuart High 492 511 488 1491
Mount Vernon 492 495 470 1457
FCPS 566 580 556 1702
Would love to see a graphing of the SES against this data. Seems like the schools with the greatest diversity have the lowest scores... so gosh, is it really a feather in Langley's hat (or schools with other "top" SAT averages) if they have almost no SES diversity? I mean, it's not like you're comparing apples to apples if you are comparing one school that is 90% white and 98% not FARMs with another school that is 35% white and 60% not FARMS. Are we all supposed to applaud that the first school has a higher average SAT score? Given national achievement gaps on the SATs, it's no surprise that the higher-income school with few minorities (not specifically referencing Langley here) has higher scores than schools with more low income kids and/or minority kids.
the high performing schools have every right to be proud b/c their scores are great -- but it's not a fair comparison when looking at dissimilar schools in FCPS.
Don't you think TJ is pretty well diversified?
Anonymous
10/10/2014 16:15
Subject: Re:SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:The measure I look for on all these tests is how did my kids do. That tells me more than any high score average score ever would.
Peers matter, so most people want their kids at schools with higher scores. The kids aim higher, whether it's SATs, course selection, or college applications.
Anonymous
10/10/2014 12:18
Subject: Re:SAT Scores in FCPS
The measure I look for on all these tests is how did my kids do. That tells me more than any high score average score ever would.
Anonymous
10/10/2014 09:01
Subject: Re:SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine anyone seriously looking at high school SOL pass rates as an indicator or metric for any measure.
They eventually affect graduation rates, but otherwise it seems crazy to look more favorably on schools that put a heavy emphasis on SOLs.
Anonymous
10/10/2014 07:25
Subject: Re:SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine anyone seriously looking at high school SOL pass rates as an indicator or metric for any measure.
Many people do because the tests are given for all grades where as sat are for a few.
Anonymous
10/09/2014 20:32
Subject: SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Reading Math Writing
Thomas Jefferson 724 766 729 2219
Langley High 620 635 610 1865
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Oakton High 595 618 590 1803
Woodson High 596 614 588 1798
Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774
Chantilly High 566 590 554 1710
Herndon High 567 575 554 1696
Lake Braddock 563 577 553 1693
Westfield High 560 580 544 1684
Robinson Secondary 558 575 549 1682
South Lakes 562 567 547 1676
West Springfield 565 566 544 1675
Centreville High 548 568 542 1658
South County 552 560 539 1651
Fairfax High 544 561 531 1636
West Potomac 536 535 529 1600
Hayfield Secondary 525 516 509 1550
Falls Church 517 538 494 1549
Annandale High 501 527 497 1525
Edison High 505 514 497 1516
Lee High 502 517 493 1512
Stuart High 492 511 488 1491
Mount Vernon 492 495 470 1457
FCPS 566 580 556 1702
Would love to see a graphing of the SES against this data. Seems like the schools with the greatest diversity have the lowest scores... so gosh, is it really a feather in Langley's hat (or schools with other "top" SAT averages) if they have almost no SES diversity? I mean, it's not like you're comparing apples to apples if you are comparing one school that is 90% white and 98% not FARMs with another school that is 35% white and 60% not FARMS. Are we all supposed to applaud that the first school has a higher average SAT score? Given national achievement gaps on the SATs, it's no surprise that the higher-income school with few minorities (not specifically referencing Langley here) has higher scores than schools with more low income kids and/or minority kids.
the high performing schools have every right to be proud b/c their scores are great -- but it's not a fair comparison when looking at dissimilar schools in FCPS.
More important than race is family income. It would be very interesting to see average family income at each school graphed against the scores. Other than TJ, the schools with the highest scores are in some of the wealthiest areas. It also would be interesting to compare the average scores of the top ten percent at each school.
TJ has the second-lowest percentage of low-income students among the high schools in FCPS, behind Langley. The biggest feeders are the AAP centers at Carson, Longfellow, Rocky Run, Kilmer and Frost, which also serve higher-income areas.
True, but TJ is already selecting kids who do well on standardized tests, so I wasn't including them in my comment. It would be easier to come up with a figure for average family income using zip codes at other schools. The other schools essentially take whatever kids live near them and some schools are surrounded by families with higher average incomes.
My own child goes to TJ but our assigned high school has a much higher percentage of low-income families than the high schools near the top of this list. My child has very high SAT scores, higher than the average for TJ, so if my child were at his assigned school, those scores would slightly raise the average at that school. I don't know if that means some schools lose out more than others when their good students go to TJ. Ten or twenty fewer high scorers at Langley doesn't make much difference to their average, but that many fewer at a school lower on the list can make at least a little bit of a difference. I don't think the schools themselves have that much effect on how kids do in these tests, smart kids will do well on the SAT no matter where they go to school.
The schools at the top of the list lose more students to TJ than those at the bottom of the list, so it's hard to say which schools would get a bigger boost if the TJ students were back at their base schools. I guess it's also open to discussion whether those students would do quite as well on their SATs if they had attended other schools.
Anonymous
10/09/2014 19:43
Subject: Re:SAT Scores in FCPS
I can't imagine anyone seriously looking at high school SOL pass rates as an indicator or metric for any measure.
Anonymous
10/09/2014 17:52
Subject: SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Reading Math Writing
Thomas Jefferson 724 766 729 2219
Langley High 620 635 610 1865
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Oakton High 595 618 590 1803
Woodson High 596 614 588 1798
Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774
Chantilly High 566 590 554 1710
Herndon High 567 575 554 1696
Lake Braddock 563 577 553 1693
Westfield High 560 580 544 1684
Robinson Secondary 558 575 549 1682
South Lakes 562 567 547 1676
West Springfield 565 566 544 1675
Centreville High 548 568 542 1658
South County 552 560 539 1651
Fairfax High 544 561 531 1636
West Potomac 536 535 529 1600
Hayfield Secondary 525 516 509 1550
Falls Church 517 538 494 1549
Annandale High 501 527 497 1525
Edison High 505 514 497 1516
Lee High 502 517 493 1512
Stuart High 492 511 488 1491
Mount Vernon 492 495 470 1457
FCPS 566 580 556 1702
Would love to see a graphing of the SES against this data. Seems like the schools with the greatest diversity have the lowest scores... so gosh, is it really a feather in Langley's hat (or schools with other "top" SAT averages) if they have almost no SES diversity? I mean, it's not like you're comparing apples to apples if you are comparing one school that is 90% white and 98% not FARMs with another school that is 35% white and 60% not FARMS. Are we all supposed to applaud that the first school has a higher average SAT score? Given national achievement gaps on the SATs, it's no surprise that the higher-income school with few minorities (not specifically referencing Langley here) has higher scores than schools with more low income kids and/or minority kids.
the high performing schools have every right to be proud b/c their scores are great -- but it's not a fair comparison when looking at dissimilar schools in FCPS.
More important than race is family income. It would be very interesting to see average family income at each school graphed against the scores. Other than TJ, the schools with the highest scores are in some of the wealthiest areas. It also would be interesting to compare the average scores of the top ten percent at each school.
TJ has the second-lowest percentage of low-income students among the high schools in FCPS, behind Langley. The biggest feeders are the AAP centers at Carson, Longfellow, Rocky Run, Kilmer and Frost, which also serve higher-income areas.
True, but TJ is already selecting kids who do well on standardized tests, so I wasn't including them in my comment. It would be easier to come up with a figure for average family income using zip codes at other schools. The other schools essentially take whatever kids live near them and some schools are surrounded by families with higher average incomes.
My own child goes to TJ but our assigned high school has a much higher percentage of low-income families than the high schools near the top of this list. My child has very high SAT scores, higher than the average for TJ, so if my child were at his assigned school, those scores would slightly raise the average at that school. I don't know if that means some schools lose out more than others when their good students go to TJ. Ten or twenty fewer high scorers at Langley doesn't make much difference to their average, but that many fewer at a school lower on the list can make at least a little bit of a difference. I don't think the schools themselves have that much effect on how kids do in these tests, smart kids will do well on the SAT no matter where they go to school.
Anonymous
10/09/2014 17:30
Subject: Re:SAT Scores in FCPS
Teachers at Langley are excellent. Many students also get tutored, which makes teachers and the school look good. HHI does matter.
Anonymous
10/09/2014 15:12
Subject: SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Reading Math Writing
Thomas Jefferson 724 766 729 2219
Langley High 620 635 610 1865
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Oakton High 595 618 590 1803
Woodson High 596 614 588 1798
Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774
Chantilly High 566 590 554 1710
Herndon High 567 575 554 1696
Lake Braddock 563 577 553 1693
Westfield High 560 580 544 1684
Robinson Secondary 558 575 549 1682
South Lakes 562 567 547 1676
West Springfield 565 566 544 1675
Centreville High 548 568 542 1658
South County 552 560 539 1651
Fairfax High 544 561 531 1636
West Potomac 536 535 529 1600
Hayfield Secondary 525 516 509 1550
Falls Church 517 538 494 1549
Annandale High 501 527 497 1525
Edison High 505 514 497 1516
Lee High 502 517 493 1512
Stuart High 492 511 488 1491
Mount Vernon 492 495 470 1457
FCPS 566 580 556 1702
Would love to see a graphing of the SES against this data. Seems like the schools with the greatest diversity have the lowest scores... so gosh, is it really a feather in Langley's hat (or schools with other "top" SAT averages) if they have almost no SES diversity? I mean, it's not like you're comparing apples to apples if you are comparing one school that is 90% white and 98% not FARMs with another school that is 35% white and 60% not FARMS. Are we all supposed to applaud that the first school has a higher average SAT score? Given national achievement gaps on the SATs, it's no surprise that the higher-income school with few minorities (not specifically referencing Langley here) has higher scores than schools with more low income kids and/or minority kids.
the high performing schools have every right to be proud b/c their scores are great -- but it's not a fair comparison when looking at dissimilar schools in FCPS.
More important than race is family income. It would be very interesting to see average family income at each school graphed against the scores. Other than TJ, the schools with the highest scores are in some of the wealthiest areas. It also would be interesting to compare the average scores of the top ten percent at each school.
TJ has the second-lowest percentage of low-income students among the high schools in FCPS, behind Langley. The biggest feeders are the AAP centers at Carson, Longfellow, Rocky Run, Kilmer and Frost, which also serve higher-income areas.
Anonymous
10/09/2014 15:08
Subject: SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:SAT's are one metric if you look at the SOLs many of the schools which have higher SAT are out scored by lower ones. So it's hard to put them in tiers solely based on SAT scores where as SOLs are another testing standard.
For example, Madison and Marshall beat Oakton in Math and English. Madison and Marshall also beat McLean in Math.
The scores for Woodson, Marshall, Langley and Madison are almost identical. But if you want to get picky the highest scoring school below TJ is Marshall by a point or two points in one or more categories.
Madison
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/report.do?division=29&schoolName=1368
Marshall:
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/report.do?division=29&schoolName=1392
McLean:
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/report.do?division=29&schoolName=1397
Oakton:
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/report.do?division=29&schoolName=1333
Woodson and Langley and overall
Look up more here
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/
"Madison and Marshall also beat McLean in Math." >> Not True , They did not beat mclean in category.
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774
PP was referring to SOL pass rates, not average SATs, the topic of the thread.
Anonymous
10/09/2014 12:26
Subject: SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Reading Math Writing
Thomas Jefferson 724 766 729 2219
Langley High 620 635 610 1865
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Oakton High 595 618 590 1803
Woodson High 596 614 588 1798
Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774
Chantilly High 566 590 554 1710
Herndon High 567 575 554 1696
Lake Braddock 563 577 553 1693
Westfield High 560 580 544 1684
Robinson Secondary 558 575 549 1682
South Lakes 562 567 547 1676
West Springfield 565 566 544 1675
Centreville High 548 568 542 1658
South County 552 560 539 1651
Fairfax High 544 561 531 1636
West Potomac 536 535 529 1600
Hayfield Secondary 525 516 509 1550
Falls Church 517 538 494 1549
Annandale High 501 527 497 1525
Edison High 505 514 497 1516
Lee High 502 517 493 1512
Stuart High 492 511 488 1491
Mount Vernon 492 495 470 1457
FCPS 566 580 556 1702
Would love to see a graphing of the SES against this data. Seems like the schools with the greatest diversity have the lowest scores... so gosh, is it really a feather in Langley's hat (or schools with other "top" SAT averages) if they have almost no SES diversity? I mean, it's not like you're comparing apples to apples if you are comparing one school that is 90% white and 98% not FARMs with another school that is 35% white and 60% not FARMS. Are we all supposed to applaud that the first school has a higher average SAT score? Given national achievement gaps on the SATs, it's no surprise that the higher-income school with few minorities (not specifically referencing Langley here) has higher scores than schools with more low income kids and/or minority kids.
the high performing schools have every right to be proud b/c their scores are great -- but it's not a fair comparison when looking at dissimilar schools in FCPS.
More important than race is family income. It would be very interesting to see average family income at each school graphed against the scores. Other than TJ, the schools with the highest scores are in some of the wealthiest areas. It also would be interesting to compare the average scores of the top ten percent at each school.
Anonymous
10/09/2014 10:13
Subject: SAT Scores in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:SAT's are one metric if you look at the SOLs many of the schools which have higher SAT are out scored by lower ones. So it's hard to put them in tiers solely based on SAT scores where as SOLs are another testing standard.
For example, Madison and Marshall beat Oakton in Math and English. Madison and Marshall also beat McLean in Math.
The scores for Woodson, Marshall, Langley and Madison are almost identical. But if you want to get picky the highest scoring school below TJ is Marshall by a point or two points in one or more categories.
Madison
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/report.do?division=29&schoolName=1368
Marshall:
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/report.do?division=29&schoolName=1392
McLean:
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/report.do?division=29&schoolName=1397
Oakton:
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/report.do?division=29&schoolName=1333
Woodson and Langley and overall
Look up more here
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/
"Madison and Marshall also beat McLean in Math." >> Not True , They did not beat mclean in category.
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774