Anonymous wrote:Muhammad is Islam's prophet, delivering what in their belief is the final and perfected message of God. That is why his actions still have relevance.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so now we want to compare apples to apples?

Following groups have been beheading people in past year.

You have posted the post -- which I removed -- at least 20 times. The post is bigoted and insulting. I allowed it to remain a few times, but enough is enough. Please do not post it again because I will remove it every time I see it. You can find another website for your bigoted garbage.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Religion of Warlords

Muhammad has been often criticized outside of the Islamic world for his treatment of the Jewish tribes of Medina. An example is the mass killing of the men of the Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe of Medina. The tribe was accused of having engaged in treasonous agreements with the enemies besieging Medina in the Battle of the Trench in 627. Ibn Ishaq writes that Muhammad approved the beheading of some 600-900 individuals who surrendered unconditionally after a siege that lasted several weeks. (Also see Bukhari 5:59:362) (Yusuf Ali notes that the Qur'an discusses this battle in verses [Quran 33:10]). They were buried in a mass grave in the Medina market place, and the women and children were sold into slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Ayyadieh

"The massacre of Ayyadieh occurred on 20 August 1191. It was perpetrated by Richard Coeur de Lion, better known as Richard the Lion Heart, during the Crusades to recover the holy land from the saracens under the command of Saladin."

"Over 3,000 men, women and children, were beaten to death, axed or killed with swords and lances."

You guys talk about 627 as if it were yesterday. But, someone mentions the Crusades -- the third of which was over 500 years later -- it's "ancient history".

Anonymous wrote:so now we want to compare apples to apples?

Following groups have been beheading people in past year.

Anonymous wrote:

Religion of Warlords

Muhammad has been often criticized outside of the Islamic world for his treatment of the Jewish tribes of Medina. An example is the mass killing of the men of the Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe of Medina. The tribe was accused of having engaged in treasonous agreements with the enemies besieging Medina in the Battle of the Trench in 627. Ibn Ishaq writes that Muhammad approved the beheading of some 600-900 individuals who surrendered unconditionally after a siege that lasted several weeks. (Also see Bukhari 5:59:362) (Yusuf Ali notes that the Qur'an discusses this battle in verses [Quran 33:10]). They were buried in a mass grave in the Medina market place, and the women and children were sold into slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

Then why do they call Islam a peaceful religion? This is disgusting. Religion makes me sick the more I learn about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

Then why do they call Islam a peaceful religion? This is disgusting. Religion makes me sick the more I learn about it.

Really? Does John ("the gospel of love") make you sick? Or "to him who has not sinned, cast the first stone"? or "turn the other cheek"? "he who is first shall be last, and last shall be first"--fighting for the underdogs? I hope you don't give up on religion. There is a God, and s/he loves you.

10When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

16However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17Completely destroya them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

Then why do they call Islam a peaceful religion? This is disgusting. Religion makes me sick the more I learn about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

PP here, I want to make note that I know the bible has insanely violent disgusting verses too, but it is a bit different because the bible is considered a compilation of writings by different people with some supposed "direct words of God", where the entire Qur'an is considered the exact word for word of God dictated directly to Muhammad, so it's not as easy for some really zealous believers to disregard certain violent verses as it is for Christians to disregard violent and disgusting verses contained in the Bible.

OP, if you want to understand more, I would suggest you read Umdat al Salik and the Sira of Muhammad.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

Then why do they call Islam a peaceful religion? This is disgusting. Religion makes me sick the more I learn about it.

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.