Anonymous
09/23/2014 16:30
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:The absence of belief in a God will always be considered under the category of religion/dogmas, and not accounting or medicine.
Some atheists deny the existence of a deity because of their belief that evidence does not exist, not because evidence shows it does not exist.
Dark matter was unknown before. Its accepted by physicists today. That humans lacked evidence of its existence does not mean it did not exist before. I do not think the choice to be an atheist is always or necessarily arrived at by looking at evidence.
A theory of dark matter was formulated based on observable evidence. It's a rational belief.
"God" or "gods" are theories that are NOT based on evidence and the best evidence points away from their existence. It is an irrational belief.
Anonymous
09/23/2014 16:21
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
The absence of belief in a God will always be considered under the category of religion/dogmas, and not accounting or medicine.
Some atheists deny the existence of a deity because of their belief that evidence does not exist, not because evidence shows it does not exist.
Dark matter was unknown before. Its accepted by physicists today. That humans lacked evidence of its existence does not mean it did not exist before. I do not think the choice to be an atheist is always or necessarily arrived at by looking at evidence.
Some atheists deny the existence of a deity because of their belief that evidence does not exist, not because evidence shows it does not exist.
Dark matter was unknown before. Its accepted by physicists today. That humans lacked evidence of its existence does not mean it did not exist before. I do not think the choice to be an atheist is always or necessarily arrived at by looking at evidence.
Anonymous
09/23/2014 12:57
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:I thought the bible does speak about 7 heavens thi?
I don't think so. Are you thinking of the 7 sins? Mormonism believes in three levels of heaven. Some Catholics still believe in Limo and Purgatory. I can't think of anywhere in the bible where 7 levels are mentioned.
Anonymous
09/23/2014 12:48
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Pullman lets you go either way on the issue of faith, then he's making you think. If the "correct" conclusion is spelled out for you, then it's, uhh, atheist proselytizing.
Atheists don't proselytize, they point out facts and debunk beliefs for which there is no evidence, or contrary evidence.
Whatever it is they do, they do it very aggressively. And constantly. But that's not proselytizing, is it?
like scientists explaining evolution? Doctors recommending regular exercise? Like accountants balancing the budget?
I don't think I have read more absurd comparisons. Medicine, accounting, health recommendations are not based to diverse belief systems. They are based on universally held beliefs, unlike religion. You win the prize, Einstein!
and atheism is not a religion, it's not believing in gods, and therefore isn't proselytized. People come to atheism by examining the evidence, just like they make scientific, medical and accounting decisions.
Anonymous
09/23/2014 09:54
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Pullman lets you go either way on the issue of faith, then he's making you think. If the "correct" conclusion is spelled out for you, then it's, uhh, atheist proselytizing.
Atheists don't proselytize, they point out facts and debunk beliefs for which there is no evidence, or contrary evidence.
Whatever it is they do, they do it very aggressively. And constantly. But that's not proselytizing, is it?
like scientists explaining evolution? Doctors recommending regular exercise? Like accountants balancing the budget?
I don't think I have read more absurd comparisons. Medicine, accounting, health recommendations are not based to diverse belief systems. They are based on universally held beliefs, unlike religion. You win the prize, Einstein!
Anonymous
09/23/2014 05:27
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Pullman lets you go either way on the issue of faith, then he's making you think. If the "correct" conclusion is spelled out for you, then it's, uhh, atheist proselytizing.
Atheists don't proselytize, they point out facts and debunk beliefs for which there is no evidence, or contrary evidence.
Whatever it is they do, they do it very aggressively. And constantly. But that's not proselytizing, is it?
like scientists explaining evolution? Doctors recommending regular exercise? Like accountants balancing the budget?
Way to miss the point, Einstein.
Anonymous
09/22/2014 22:40
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Pullman lets you go either way on the issue of faith, then he's making you think. If the "correct" conclusion is spelled out for you, then it's, uhh, atheist proselytizing.
Atheists don't proselytize, they point out facts and debunk beliefs for which there is no evidence, or contrary evidence.
Whatever it is they do, they do it very aggressively. And constantly. But that's not proselytizing, is it?
like scientists explaining evolution? Doctors recommending regular exercise? Like accountants balancing the budget?
Anonymous
09/22/2014 19:33
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Pullman lets you go either way on the issue of faith, then he's making you think. If the "correct" conclusion is spelled out for you, then it's, uhh, atheist proselytizing.
Atheists don't proselytize, they point out facts and debunk beliefs for which there is no evidence, or contrary evidence.
Whatever it is they do, they do it very aggressively. And constantly. But that's not proselytizing, is it?
Anonymous
09/22/2014 17:11
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:If Pullman lets you go either way on the issue of faith, then he's making you think. If the "correct" conclusion is spelled out for you, then it's, uhh, atheist proselytizing.
Atheists don't proselytize, they point out facts and debunk beliefs for which there is no evidence, or contrary evidence.
Anonymous
09/22/2014 09:16
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
If Pullman lets you go either way on the issue of faith, then he's making you think. If the "correct" conclusion is spelled out for you, then it's, uhh, atheist proselytizing.
Anonymous
09/22/2014 06:42
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, I am confused, so does the trilogy have an atheist msg or does it tie science to religion?
The message is that God is dead. As I remember, the kids literally give the decrepit old guy the final shove, or maybe he dies in front of them. Anyhoo, it's Pullman's wishful thinking about the demise of faith.
No, the trilogy is not tying science to religion in any way -- 14:34 was pulling your leg, or something. The books actually have the opposite intention, of showing that science and faith are at war. It's been several years since I read the trilogy, but I don't remember much actual science in the books. The science itself, such as it is, is fun Harry Potter stuff.
PS, I wrote above that he's a crappy writer. I stand by that! Read Harry Potter to see this sort of kids' literature done right.
Harry Potter is also a great series, but the His Dark Materials trilogy really makes you think and I think it goes deeper than Harry Potter. Also, the writing styles are completely different and I don't think they should be compared.
His Dark Materials makes you think about what Pullman wants you to think, which is about atheism. If that's what you want to think about, then that's fine. But I a guess I disagree that "it goes deeper" because he kind of beats you over the head with atheism. It's not like Pullman gives you a choice in what to think, lets you come to your own conclusions, or even lets you think for yourself.
Anonymous
09/22/2014 06:37
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, I am confused, so does the trilogy have an atheist msg or does it tie science to religion?
The message is that God is dead. As I remember, the kids literally give the decrepit old guy the final shove, or maybe he dies in front of them. Anyhoo, it's Pullman's wishful thinking about the demise of faith.
No, the trilogy is not tying science to religion in any way -- 14:34 was pulling your leg, or something. The books actually have the opposite intention, of showing that science and faith are at war. It's been several years since I read the trilogy, but I don't remember much actual science in the books. The science itself, such as it is, is fun Harry Potter stuff.
All I said is that the books talk about parallel worlds and dark matter.
Actually, here's what you wrote: "You should read the His Dark Materials Trilogy by Philip Pullman. It's an awesome series and it's all about dark matter and parallel universes and it ties it to religion."
Just saying....
Anonymous
09/21/2014 22:14
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, I am confused, so does the trilogy have an atheist msg or does it tie science to religion?
The message is that God is dead. As I remember, the kids literally give the decrepit old guy the final shove, or maybe he dies in front of them. Anyhoo, it's Pullman's wishful thinking about the demise of faith.
No, the trilogy is not tying science to religion in any way -- 14:34 was pulling your leg, or something. The books actually have the opposite intention, of showing that science and faith are at war. It's been several years since I read the trilogy, but I don't remember much actual science in the books. The science itself, such as it is, is fun Harry Potter stuff.
PS, I wrote above that he's a crappy writer. I stand by that! Read Harry Potter to see this sort of kids' literature done right.
Harry Potter is also a great series, but the His Dark Materials trilogy really makes you think and I think it goes deeper than Harry Potter. Also, the writing styles are completely different and I don't think they should be compared.
Anonymous
09/21/2014 22:07
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, I am confused, so does the trilogy have an atheist msg or does it tie science to religion?
The message is that God is dead. As I remember, the kids literally give the decrepit old guy the final shove, or maybe he dies in front of them. Anyhoo, it's Pullman's wishful thinking about the demise of faith.
No, the trilogy is not tying science to religion in any way -- 14:34 was pulling your leg, or something. The books actually have the opposite intention, of showing that science and faith are at war. It's been several years since I read the trilogy, but I don't remember much actual science in the books. The science itself, such as it is, is fun Harry Potter stuff.
All I said is that the books talk about parallel worlds and dark matter.
Anonymous
09/21/2014 22:03
Subject: Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, I am confused, so does the trilogy have an atheist msg or does it tie science to religion?
The message is that God is dead. As I remember, the kids literally give the decrepit old guy the final shove, or maybe he dies in front of them. Anyhoo, it's Pullman's wishful thinking about the demise of faith.
No, the trilogy is not tying science to religion in any way -- 14:34 was pulling your leg, or something. The books actually have the opposite intention, of showing that science and faith are at war. It's been several years since I read the trilogy, but I don't remember much actual science in the books. The science itself, such as it is, is fun Harry Potter stuff.
PS, I wrote above that he's a crappy writer. I stand by that! Read Harry Potter to see this sort of kids' literature done right.