Anonymous
08/01/2014 07:51
Subject: Re:Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous
No I mean the Gazan people that elected Hamas, a terrorist organization that uses citizens as shields and has no regard for any life. They are all complicit in the attacks on Israel.
Israel is the aggressor here. So I am sure you will support Palestinian's right of self defense against an invading army.
You can believe that, but, Israel responded to the launch of rockets into Israel. If I am holding an AR 15, and you come at me with a knife, I can defend myself.
Defend, yes. But within a moral framework.
American values dictate meeting force with "like" force, not greater force. We inherited that value system from British common law when we first set up our country and its legal framework. And British Common Law was based on Judeo-Christian values. Fending off a knife with a machine gun is overkill and changes the whole scenario from self-defense to an offensive attack. And that's where your example and Israel's current actions lose their moral standing.
Anonymous
08/01/2014 07:46
Subject: Re:Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous
No I mean the Gazan people that elected Hamas, a terrorist organization that uses citizens as shields and has no regard for any life. They are all complicit in the attacks on Israel.
Israel is the aggressor here. So I am sure you will support Palestinian's right of self defense against an invading army.
You can believe that, but, Israel responded to the launch of rockets into Israel. If I am holding an AR 15, and you come at me with a knife, I can defend myself.
Uh, the Israeli government arrested 350 people, killed 5, and bulldozed a shit ton of homes, all over the killing of three boys -- which it turns out was not done by Hamas but two individuals acting on their own. I guess you conveniently forgot that.
Anonymous
08/01/2014 07:44
Subject: Re:Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous
No I mean the Gazan people that elected Hamas, a terrorist organization that uses citizens as shields and has no regard for any life. They are all complicit in the attacks on Israel.
Israel is the aggressor here. So I am sure you will support Palestinian's right of self defense against an invading army.
You can believe that, but, Israel responded to the launch of rockets into Israel. If I am holding an AR 15, and you come at me with a knife, I can defend myself.
jsteele
08/01/2014 07:44
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Happy that my tax dollars are going to support the defense of Israel and helping to kill the Hamas terrorists and their Palestinan co-conspirators. Fight on IDF!
By "co-conspirators" you mean "children"?
Children are the red herring. However, there have been incidents where palestinian children (teens) have been used as suicide bombers. I am not sure when this story is from, and it appears to be from the West Bank, not Gaza. But...
http://www.quora.com/Why-would-the-IDF-arrest-Palestinian-teens-playing-soccer/answers/5937254?srid=t6d&share=1
I do not condone the bombing of shelters. Ever. However, the Palestinians -- not sure of the legal entity responsible (it might not be Hamas) have used woman and children as vectors of attacks.
I despise this. I despise the targeting of children....There is no moral high ground when children are used as instruments of war.
That incident was an al-Aqsa Brigades attack. It had nothing to do with Hamas. Regardless, even despicable actions by Palestinians don't justify intentionally targeting their children. If Israel wants to act on the same moral grounds as those who use children as bombers, then it deserves to be treated the same.
Calling the deaths of hundreds of children "a red herring" is indicative of the dehumanization of the Palestinians that is common among Israel's supporters. These dead children were real. They had mothers and fathers. They matter. They are not red herrings.
Anonymous
08/01/2014 07:34
Subject: Re:Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Anonymous
No I mean the Gazan people that elected Hamas, a terrorist organization that uses citizens as shields and has no regard for any life. They are all complicit in the attacks on Israel.
Israel is the aggressor here. So I am sure you will support Palestinian's right of self defense against an invading army.
Anonymous
08/01/2014 07:05
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Happy that my tax dollars are going to support the defense of Israel and helping to kill the Hamas terrorists and their Palestinan co-conspirators. Fight on IDF!
By "co-conspirators" you mean "children"?
Children are the red herring. However, there have been incidents where palestinian children (teens) have been used as suicide bombers. I am not sure when this story is from, and it appears to be from the West Bank, not Gaza. But...
http://www.quora.com/Why-would-the-IDF-arrest-Palestinian-teens-playing-soccer/answers/5937254?srid=t6d&share=1
I do not condone the bombing of shelters. Ever. However, the Palestinians -- not sure of the legal entity responsible (it might not be Hamas) have used woman and children as vectors of attacks.
I despise this. I despise the targeting of children....There is no moral high ground when children are used as instruments of war.
Anonymous
08/01/2014 03:14
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
happy???Anonymous wrote:Happy that my tax dollars are going to support the defense of Israel and helping to kill the Hamas terrorists and their Palestinan co-conspirators. Fight on IDF!
Anonymous
07/31/2014 23:45
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Anonymous wrote:No I mean the Gazan people that elected Hamas, a terrorist organization that uses citizens as shields and has no regard for any life. They are all complicit in the attacks on Israel.
You mean less than 30% of Gaza's actual population? And what kind of insane logic is this? Voting for someone does not mean that you want to participate in a war of any sort. And does this mean that people who elected George Bush are complicit in the Iraq War?
Anonymous
07/31/2014 23:42
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
No I mean the Gazan people that elected Hamas, a terrorist organization that uses citizens as shields and has no regard for any life. They are all complicit in the attacks on Israel.
jsteele
07/31/2014 22:57
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Anonymous wrote:Happy that my tax dollars are going to support the defense of Israel and helping to kill the Hamas terrorists and their Palestinan co-conspirators. Fight on IDF!
By "co-conspirators" you mean "children"?
Anonymous
07/31/2014 22:48
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Happy that my tax dollars are going to support the defense of Israel and helping to kill the Hamas terrorists and their Palestinan co-conspirators. Fight on IDF!
Anonymous
07/31/2014 22:45
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is 72 hours the amount of time it will take to rearm the Israelis? I heard we have to send them more ammo.
Cite your source. From what I have heard, funding they need is not for “more ammo” but for their Iron Dome Defense. You do understand the difference, right?
Last week, US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel sent a letter to congressional leadership requesting $225 million in additional US funding for Israel’s Iron Dome, which is a short-range rocket defense system designed to intercept rockets and artillery shells fired from a range of between four and 70 kilometers.
The money would be in addition to the $351 million that’s already under discussion for Iron Dome in fiscal 2015. It would bring total funding to $576 million, compared with the $176 million requested by the Pentagon for the year that begins on October 1.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/28/373165/israel-in-urgent-need-of-money-from-us-reid/
What's the difference btw arming the "offense" as opposed to the "defense?"
It's still US money going to Israel. I love working to fund a war I don't believe in.
It's not just Iron Dome.
According to the network, Pentagon officials have confirmed that the US will honor a request from Israel for several types of ammunition, including 120mm mortar rounds and 40mm ammunition for grenade launchers. The exchange will not be an emergency sale, the unnamed officials said, and is coming from a stockpile of weapons maintained by the US in Israel worth more than $1 billion.
Source: CNN
Anonymous
07/31/2014 22:21
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Here's another person who doesn't want US money going towards "defending" Israel. Sorry. 
Anonymous
07/31/2014 22:14
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Anonymous wrote:
What's the difference btw arming the "offense" as opposed to the "defense?"
This is NOT a legitimate question, is it?!?! There have been some absurd comments on here and MANY distortions of the truth (and flat out lies for that matter), but this question may just take the cake.
I stand by my question and responded again.
$300m could go a long way in helping out OUR OWN poor in the US.
Anonymous
07/31/2014 22:10
Subject: Irsael & Hamas Agree to a 72 hr Cease Fire
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is 72 hours the amount of time it will take to rearm the Israelis? I heard we have to send them more ammo.
Cite your source. From what I have heard, funding they need is not for “more ammo” but for their Iron Dome Defense. You do understand the difference, right?
Last week, US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel sent a letter to congressional leadership requesting $225 million in additional US funding for Israel’s Iron Dome, which is a short-range rocket defense system designed to intercept rockets and artillery shells fired from a range of between four and 70 kilometers.
The money would be in addition to the $351 million that’s already under discussion for Iron Dome in fiscal 2015. It would bring total funding to $576 million, compared with the $176 million requested by the Pentagon for the year that begins on October 1.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/28/373165/israel-in-urgent-need-of-money-from-us-reid/
What's the difference btw arming the "offense" as opposed to the "defense?"
It's still US money going to Israel. I love working to fund a war I don't believe in.
I will let someone else answer your inane question. I am afraid if I respond, I will break my self-imposed rule of not throwing an insult or curse word.
sorry - But WE - the US - are protecting Israel, which allows it to safely and effectively bully its "enemy."
Go ahead and fire expletives at me, moron. Israel is no saint. And WE'RE paying to keep this entitled country safe.
Why care for our own when we can spend millions to defend Israel?
I am using a pro-Jewish source, btw. Note the slanted language. love the bolded lines - ". . . preventing an escalation in violence" lol
In May 2012, President Obama directed US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta to allocate an additional $70 million to pay for more Iron Dome batteries and interceptor missiles in Israel. Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak had come to the States during the month to seek further resource allocation and thanked the administration for helping upkeep a system which has [b]proven successful in saving lives and preventing an escalation in violence.[/b] The United States has now paid nearly $300 million for the Iron Dome system.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/IronDome.html