Anonymous
07/31/2014 13:07
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
Ross=.2877
Bancroft=.5586
Shepherd=.6402
Powell=.6989
Bancroft=.5586
Shepherd=.6402
Powell=.6989
Anonymous
07/31/2014 13:03
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Numbers for some NW ES according to the method mentioned before. Arranged from MOST diverse to LEAST diverse.
(In parentheses) is the in-boundary percentage for each school. This should help inform about the diversity of the neighborhood.
MOST DIVERSE
Eaton=.3052 (36%)
Hyde=.3691 (38%)
Hearst=.4091 (18%)
Mann=.4127 (86%)
Key=.4413 (84%)
Stoddert=.4463 (81%)
Murch=.4589 (66%)
Janney=.5268 (92%)
Lafayette=.5544 (85%)
LEAST DIVERSE
I don't see how Oyster isn't list as one of the most diverse schools in Ward 3 (if not the most diverse). You need to check your numbers.
The numbers are correct. Oyster was not computed. Oyster is in the middle of the pack:
Oyster=.4459.
(Oyster is as hispanic-latino as some of the other schools are white.)
Anonymous
07/31/2014 13:01
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
That takes a lot of chutzpah (and ignorance) to make proclamations about school quality 10 years in the future. And, it also grossly misstates the quality of Hardy at present.
The OP has received lots of good advice in this thread. As stated (in black-and-white terms), this is not helpful.
The OP has received lots of good advice in this thread. As stated (in black-and-white terms), this is not helpful.
Anonymous
07/31/2014 13:00
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
Anonymous wrote:Numbers for some NW ES according to the method mentioned before. Arranged from MOST diverse to LEAST diverse.
(In parentheses) is the in-boundary percentage for each school. This should help inform about the diversity of the neighborhood.
MOST DIVERSE
Eaton=.3052 (36%)
Hyde=.3691 (38%)
Hearst=.4091 (18%)
Mann=.4127 (86%)
Key=.4413 (84%)
Stoddert=.4463 (81%)
Murch=.4589 (66%)
Janney=.5268 (92%)
Lafayette=.5544 (85%)
LEAST DIVERSE
I don't see how Oyster isn't list as one of the most diverse schools in Ward 3 (if not the most diverse). You need to check your numbers.
Anonymous
07/31/2014 12:57
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
If you care about middle school, go with Murch so that you can feed to deal. Hyde and Stoddert do not and Eaton may not.
Anonymous
07/31/2014 12:56
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
Yeah, I found that surprising. My guess, completely uninformed, is that these schools would be among the most diverse elementary schools in DCPS. It would be very entertaining to see the numbers across DC for the next time someone refers to Upper Caucasia. (Diversity for these people only means "not-white," which I find annoying.)
I pulled the racial compositions from the DCPS School Profiles (http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/).
I pulled the racial compositions from the DCPS School Profiles (http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/).
Anonymous
07/31/2014 12:51
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
Mann does indeed look like a Mini-Murch by the numbers.
I don't follow where your HHI numbers are coming from though, not that is matters to me. Just curious.
I don't follow where your HHI numbers are coming from though, not that is matters to me. Just curious.
Anonymous
07/31/2014 12:46
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
Numbers for some NW ES according to the method mentioned before. Arranged from MOST diverse to LEAST diverse.
(In parentheses) is the in-boundary percentage for each school. This should help inform about the diversity of the neighborhood.
MOST DIVERSE
Eaton=.3052 (36%)
Hyde=.3691 (38%)
Hearst=.4091 (18%)
Mann=.4127 (86%)
Key=.4413 (84%)
Stoddert=.4463 (81%)
Murch=.4589 (66%)
Janney=.5268 (92%)
Lafayette=.5544 (85%)
LEAST DIVERSE
(In parentheses) is the in-boundary percentage for each school. This should help inform about the diversity of the neighborhood.
MOST DIVERSE
Eaton=.3052 (36%)
Hyde=.3691 (38%)
Hearst=.4091 (18%)
Mann=.4127 (86%)
Key=.4413 (84%)
Stoddert=.4463 (81%)
Murch=.4589 (66%)
Janney=.5268 (92%)
Lafayette=.5544 (85%)
LEAST DIVERSE
Anonymous
07/31/2014 12:38
Subject: Re:Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
super cute house for sale at 38th & Yuma!
http://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-905-7qm5vy/north-cleveland-park-washington-dc-20016
currently in the murch zone but on a block proposed to shift to Hearst - as several PP have noted - both great options - and walkable to both even w/ little ones (we do it all the time
)
love the porches on this one...
good luck OP!
http://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-905-7qm5vy/north-cleveland-park-washington-dc-20016
currently in the murch zone but on a block proposed to shift to Hearst - as several PP have noted - both great options - and walkable to both even w/ little ones (we do it all the time
)
love the porches on this one...
good luck OP!
Anonymous
07/31/2014 12:34
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
Given the priorities you laid out, Eaton is a wonderful option to consider. It is very diverse, had a great (but not overbearing) community environment, and has good "break out" options for kids functioning at (or below) where the rest of the class is working in reading and math.
The neighborhood around it is family friendly as well - walkable to the cute CP library, zoo, CP Club pool and such. We moved here with a 4 and 2 year old, and considered about the same list of options, and I'm really glad we decided on CP. That said, finding the right house can be tough so I'd tend to start looking at real estate options and keep your mind open about schools...
The neighborhood around it is family friendly as well - walkable to the cute CP library, zoo, CP Club pool and such. We moved here with a 4 and 2 year old, and considered about the same list of options, and I'm really glad we decided on CP. That said, finding the right house can be tough so I'd tend to start looking at real estate options and keep your mind open about schools...
Anonymous
07/31/2014 12:22
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
I'm the PP. I agree that Mann was not relevant. (I posted immediately after the poster saying "Mann is the only answer.") I am just trying to dispel falsehoods whenever they arise in whatever form they occur.
Anonymous
07/31/2014 12:20
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only correct answer here is Mann.
Wrong answer. She wants a racially DIVERSE school...and that is not Mann. Btw, Mann's aftercare program is mediocre.
This is a false statement. Demonstrably so.
A standard measure of concentration is the HHI (Herfindahl-Hirschman Index). You can compute this for the "relevant" elementary schools in NW and you'll see that, surprisingly, Mann is least concentrated.
I'm too busy at work to do the computations today, but it's pretty straightforward. It's just the sum of the squared "market shares."
Mann is:
Black: 11%
Hispanic/Latino: 14%
White: 61%
Asian: 8%
Pacific/Hawaiian: 0%
Native/Alaskan: 0%
Multiple races: 5%
It's HHI is .11*.11 + .14*.14 + .61*.61 + .08*.08 +.05*.05=.4127
Murch, for example is:
Black: 12%
Hispanic/Latino: 8%
White: 66%
Asian: 9%
Pacific/Hawaiian: 0%
Native/Alaskan: 0%
Multiple races: 5%
It's HHI is .12*.12+.08*.08+.66*.66+.05*.05=.4589
According to the STANDARD measure of industry concentration (which is very appropriate here), Murch is less diverse than Mann.
Numbers don't lie.
Don't flame me because you don't like the answer, by the way. It surprised me too when I ran the numbers. It just goes to show that our gut (especially when almost nobody on this board has visited both Murch and Mann, let alone a half dozen elementary schools, so we're just basing our expectations off of nothing more than guesses) is often wrong.
Oh good. A poster with issues. Go be "busy" at work will you? Mann wasn't even on OP's list! Perhaps the school is great and the housing stock sucks.
Anonymous
07/31/2014 12:17
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
House first. All the schools you are looking at are good and have been for years. Who know what will happen with boundaries, etc so go for the house. Welcome!
Anonymous
07/31/2014 12:16
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only correct answer here is Mann.
Wrong answer. She wants a racially DIVERSE school...and that is not Mann. Btw, Mann's aftercare program is mediocre.
This is a false statement. Demonstrably so.
A standard measure of concentration is the HHI (Herfindahl-Hirschman Index). You can compute this for the "relevant" elementary schools in NW and you'll see that, surprisingly, Mann is least concentrated.
I'm too busy at work to do the computations today, but it's pretty straightforward. It's just the sum of the squared "market shares."
Mann is:
Black: 11%
Hispanic/Latino: 14%
White: 61%
Asian: 8%
Pacific/Hawaiian: 0%
Native/Alaskan: 0%
Multiple races: 5%
It's HHI is .11*.11 + .14*.14 + .61*.61 + .08*.08 +.05*.05=.4127
Murch, for example is:
Black: 12%
Hispanic/Latino: 8%
White: 66%
Asian: 9%
Pacific/Hawaiian: 0%
Native/Alaskan: 0%
Multiple races: 5%
It's HHI is .12*.12+.08*.08+.66*.66+.05*.05=.4589
According to the STANDARD measure of industry concentration (which is very appropriate here), Murch is less diverse than Mann.
Numbers don't lie.
Don't flame me because you don't like the answer, by the way. It surprised me too when I ran the numbers. It just goes to show that our gut (especially when almost nobody on this board has visited both Murch and Mann, let alone a half dozen elementary schools, so we're just basing our expectations off of nothing more than guesses) is often wrong.
Anonymous
07/31/2014 11:54
Subject: Moving to DC:Oyster/Eaton/Hyde/Stoddert/Murch?
Eaton's a great option for a high performing school that has diversity both economic and racial. As for the feeder issue it's still up in the air but I think hardy is a pretty good school that has the potential to be a great school with more community investment.