Anonymous
Post 06/03/2014 14:28     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
I guess I should not say "misleading." As I wrote 1/12=8%. But if you look at the number, you might think, wow! 8%! But that really only amounts to one teacher leaving. So I suppose the word is "startling" -- I don't know. Whatever. They had 12 teachers and one left. End of story.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2014 12:39     Subject: Re:Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Where do we find the data for teacher attrition rate? Not to start further debate, but I'm curious about CM's rate. TIA!

look at their annual report. link was provided above. CM's attrition rate, by the way, is 8%. But the number is misleading because they only reported having 12 teachers, one of whom left. 1/12=8%.


Thanks, and pardon my ignorance, but what is misleading about that? Did they have more than 12 teachers or more than 1 left or what? Thanks.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2014 11:27     Subject: Re:Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:Where do we find the data for teacher attrition rate? Not to start further debate, but I'm curious about CM's rate. TIA!

look at their annual report. link was provided above. CM's attrition rate, by the way, is 8%. But the number is misleading because they only reported having 12 teachers, one of whom left. 1/12=8%.

I was disappointed to note that their annual report was not as comprehensive as other schools' that I have looked at: they only provided the teachers' names, degree attained and grade taught, and not more specific educational experience. Perhaps it is because of the newness? http://www.dcpcsb.org/data/files/2014%20Annual%20Reports/2012-2013_Annual_Report_CreatiMindsPCS.pdf
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2014 07:00     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:I remember a long previous thread about the low quality Spanish instruction at MV (spelling mistakes, poor use of accents and grammar mistakes by professors). I have also heard these concerns from several native Spanish speakers. As a bilingual school should the quality of Spanish instruction also be a consideration?


I remember that thread too, however it ousted other immersion schools as well except LAMB.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2014 06:14     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
I remember a long previous thread about the low quality Spanish instruction at MV (spelling mistakes, poor use of accents and grammar mistakes by professors). I have also heard these concerns from several native Spanish speakers. As a bilingual school should the quality of Spanish instruction also be a consideration?
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2014 23:32     Subject: Re:Teacher Attrition Rate
Where do we find the data for teacher attrition rate? Not to start further debate, but I'm curious about CM's rate. TIA!
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2014 22:48     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:
This is not correct. For 2013 IT reported that 61.9% of first graders are on grade level for reading. MV reported that 82% are on grade level for reading. MV also measured math, which IT did not measure, which I find interesting.


OP, if you are hanging your hat on the numbers, please make sure you're parsing them correctly. Assuming you are pulling from the DCPCSB publication, the IT numbers you cite are for first graders. The MV numbers are for K and 1st combined. The schools also use different assessments. In your search to uncover the one truth with data, you have ended up in a place where you're not comparing apples to apples or facts to facts.

Both of these schools seem to be strong learning environments, with many happy families and kids attending. I hope you are happy wherever you end up.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2014 21:29     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MV parent here that is happy but think IT's teaching model is excellent and think most children would do well at IT with a great teacher. Not sure what OP is trying to accomplish but after reading quite a few of these "lets rank which school is superior or has xyz problems" is getting tiring.


OP here, I am trying to find facts instead of feelings to get a well rounded picture of two Charters that are highly regarded on this forum. I cited facts and in no way disparaged either school. Why is it okay to rattle of facts about JKLM schools and their scores and other DCPS scores but when this information is presented for charters it is tiring or problematic?


OP, please. You are the worst kind of troll. Especially when you start saying IT will be better once tey get more white kids. You are the worst type of poster.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2014 21:08     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MV parent here that is happy but think IT's teaching model is excellent and think most children would do well at IT with a great teacher. Not sure what OP is trying to accomplish but after reading quite a few of these "lets rank which school is superior or has xyz problems" is getting tiring.


OP here, I am trying to find facts instead of feelings to get a well rounded picture of two Charters that are highly regarded on this forum. I cited facts and in no way disparaged either school. Why is it okay to rattle of facts about JKLM schools and their scores and other DCPS scores but when this information is presented for charters it is tiring or problematic?


You are going to drive yourself and your kids nuts if this is your approach for selecting a college.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2014 20:53     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:MV parent here that is happy but think IT's teaching model is excellent and think most children would do well at IT with a great teacher. Not sure what OP is trying to accomplish but after reading quite a few of these "lets rank which school is superior or has xyz problems" is getting tiring.


IT parent here, couldn't have said it better myself. I would be extremely happy with either school. We applied to both (and have friends at MV). I don't give too muh weight into scores of a whole school but rather how my DC will excel at a particular school. I'm sure he will score advanced at either school.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2014 20:23     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MV parent here that is happy but think IT's teaching model is excellent and think most children would do well at IT with a great teacher. Not sure what OP is trying to accomplish but after reading quite a few of these "lets rank which school is superior or has xyz problems" is getting tiring.


OP here, I am trying to find facts instead of feelings to get a well rounded picture of two Charters that are highly regarded on this forum. I cited facts and in no way disparaged either school. Why is it okay to rattle of facts about JKLM schools and their scores and other DCPS scores but when this information is presented for charters it is tiring or problematic?


Because you are not comparing apples to apples. You are comparing a language immersion school with a experimental teaching demonstration school. Both have their strengths and everyone has agreed both are good schools. It is very odd that you're trying rank them.


Also, these schools are relatively new so there are hardly any "scores" to compare yet. Mundo Verde has the challenge of getting kids up to speed on language while implementing "green" curriculum (and Common Core)... that's a lot to do. IT has an innovative model and a very different way of teaching. I'm curious to see what the growth scores will be - but it's just too early to assess.

If you are comparing these to JKLM schools - that's the problem! These are fairly new charters that need time to see if their models work - they are creating them as we speak. JKLM schools are established. What you're doing doesn't make a lot of sense.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2014 20:16     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MV parent here that is happy but think IT's teaching model is excellent and think most children would do well at IT with a great teacher. Not sure what OP is trying to accomplish but after reading quite a few of these "lets rank which school is superior or has xyz problems" is getting tiring.


OP here, I am trying to find facts instead of feelings to get a well rounded picture of two Charters that are highly regarded on this forum. I cited facts and in no way disparaged either school. Why is it okay to rattle of facts about JKLM schools and their scores and other DCPS scores but when this information is presented for charters it is tiring or problematic?


Because you are not comparing apples to apples. You are comparing a language immersion school with a experimental teaching demonstration school. Both have their strengths and everyone has agreed both are good schools. It is very odd that you're trying rank them.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2014 20:09     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Look at the PMF reports, annual reports and budget. Review each school's assessment tools that they use and the corresponding efficacy reports. Also look at the report cards on my school dc site. Also compare MV and IT with other schools using the same resources. I was surprised at the results but stats trump "feelings" for me.


IT has higher 2013 scores than Mundo Verde comparing the lower grades. Not only did IT have higher criteria (they set their targets at 70% whereas Mundo Verde set theres at 60%), IT had more than 99% proficency in lower grades whereas Mundo Verde had 95%.

I don't know what you're looking at, but from what I see IT is ahead. I don't put much stake in these reports but sense you brought it up I thought I'd double check.

This is not correct. For 2013 IT reported that 61.9% of first graders are on grade level for reading. MV reported that 82% are on grade level for reading. MV also measured math, which IT did not measure, which I find interesting. The numbers you cite regard overall student growth. At any rate just because you or other posters don't find statistics beneficial or important does not mean that the information is not beneficial to others. I find it extremely helpful especially when all we hear about both schools is how great they are and how great their models are but there are no absolute facts to look at. This is important to me also when trying to decide between neighborhood DCPS which has gobs of data and untested/unproven charters.


IT is ahead in lower grades and Mundo Verde is ahead in upper grades (which makes sense if you look at the make-up of the classes and what they brought with them to the schools when they entered.)

I was comparing IT & Mundo Verde in the lower grades because I assumed that's where your child would be (PS3 - 1st grade). If your child is in 1st grade and up, then yes Mundo Verde would be higher proficiency. IT is higher from a statistical standpoint, but again I don't think these things matter much.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2014 19:59     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:MV parent here that is happy but think IT's teaching model is excellent and think most children would do well at IT with a great teacher. Not sure what OP is trying to accomplish but after reading quite a few of these "lets rank which school is superior or has xyz problems" is getting tiring.


OP here, I am trying to find facts instead of feelings to get a well rounded picture of two Charters that are highly regarded on this forum. I cited facts and in no way disparaged either school. Why is it okay to rattle of facts about JKLM schools and their scores and other DCPS scores but when this information is presented for charters it is tiring or problematic?
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2014 19:54     Subject: Teacher Attrition Rate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Look at the PMF reports, annual reports and budget. Review each school's assessment tools that they use and the corresponding efficacy reports. Also look at the report cards on my school dc site. Also compare MV and IT with other schools using the same resources. I was surprised at the results but stats trump "feelings" for me.


IT has higher 2013 scores than Mundo Verde comparing the lower grades. Not only did IT have higher criteria (they set their targets at 70% whereas Mundo Verde set theres at 60%), IT had more than 99% proficency in lower grades whereas Mundo Verde had 95%.

I don't know what you're looking at, but from what I see IT is ahead. I don't put much stake in these reports but sense you brought it up I thought I'd double check.

This is not correct. For 2013 IT reported that 61.9% of first graders are on grade level for reading. MV reported that 82% are on grade level for reading. MV also measured math, which IT did not measure, which I find interesting. The numbers you cite regard overall student growth. At any rate just because you or other posters don't find statistics beneficial or important does not mean that the information is not beneficial to others. I find it extremely helpful especially when all we hear about both schools is how great they are and how great their models are but there are no absolute facts to look at. This is important to me also when trying to decide between neighborhood DCPS which has gobs of data and untested/unproven charters.