Anonymous
Post 06/01/2014 15:04     Subject: Your poor relatives

Anonymous wrote:What to do really depends on (1) do they have actual needs that are going unmet - ie, shelter, food, medical care? Or are they wants? (2) Are your relatives asking for help?

If they're not asking and they aren't homeless or going hungry, then I can see this not going over well. If they need housing, you can arrange to pay whatever portion you're willing to of their rent to the landlord. If they need food, you can have groceries delivered (my dad did this so his nieces & nephew wouldn't go hungry). If they need medical care and the kids don't qualify for medicaid, you can buy the family a simple plan through the new health exchanges - those are surprisingly affordable.

If they want other stuff and are asking, obviously if you say yes once it means you'll be perceived as the family bank going forward - and "loans" aren't actually going to get repaid. I don't have the stomach to play that role, my DH is more patient with it but I had to put in place a rule that we don't issue "loans" without both our approval, since our finances are joint. With the ILs knowing that I'll be involved, they're less inclined to ask and more likely to actually pay back.


Unfortunately, money is fungible. Its hard to say no to needs, ie send money for food for the children, or even deliver groceries. But it is annoying because you know they dont have money for needs, because they spent their money on wants a week ago. So even though, technically you are giving them money for necessities, the result is enabling them to get their wants.
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2014 14:20     Subject: Re:Your poor relatives

Anonymous wrote:
Be prudent when helping needy relatives. They will use you like a bank.


Needy friends, too.

NEVER answer money questions, OP. People like to be nosy, you don't have to answer anyone. EVER.

Anonymous
Post 06/01/2014 14:07     Subject: Your poor relatives

What to do really depends on (1) do they have actual needs that are going unmet - ie, shelter, food, medical care? Or are they wants? (2) Are your relatives asking for help?

If they're not asking and they aren't homeless or going hungry, then I can see this not going over well. If they need housing, you can arrange to pay whatever portion you're willing to of their rent to the landlord. If they need food, you can have groceries delivered (my dad did this so his nieces & nephew wouldn't go hungry). If they need medical care and the kids don't qualify for medicaid, you can buy the family a simple plan through the new health exchanges - those are surprisingly affordable.

If they want other stuff and are asking, obviously if you say yes once it means you'll be perceived as the family bank going forward - and "loans" aren't actually going to get repaid. I don't have the stomach to play that role, my DH is more patient with it but I had to put in place a rule that we don't issue "loans" without both our approval, since our finances are joint. With the ILs knowing that I'll be involved, they're less inclined to ask and more likely to actually pay back.
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2014 11:40     Subject: Re:Your poor relatives


Be prudent when helping needy relatives. They will use you like a bank.
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2014 11:30     Subject: Your poor relatives



NP here. OP, your heart is in the right place. Theirs is not. If they are in dire emergency, that is different than their so called "needs". You need to pick and choose where you give money, and pay any dire emergency directly. Do not give them cash, you are not helping them if you give them cash! I can not say this enough.

Some people have nothing better to do than to try to count others pennies. Their problem, not yours. You will learn who is genuine when people think you have money, that is for certain.

Anonymous
Post 06/01/2014 11:02     Subject: Your poor relatives

What you are doing sounds good hearted, OP, and generous, but I worry you have some boundary issues going on. This isn't your problem to fix.
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2014 11:00     Subject: Your poor relatives

Anonymous wrote:Well, we're the poor relatives in our family. I don't think we make poor decisions, we just chose careers other than finance or law.


PP who posted about her mother here.

We are not in finance or law, or living large in any way. We are just paying our bills, and ekeing out some minor savings. What I was referring to, and I believe the OP was referring to, was disastrous money management on the part of relatives who need help, not modest careers.
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2014 01:01     Subject: Your poor relatives

Well, we're the poor relatives in our family. I don't think we make poor decisions, we just chose careers other than finance or law.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 22:19     Subject: Re:Your poor relatives

Anonymous wrote:What about a poor parent? New poster here. but i am in a similar situation with my mother. She is nutso crazy with money, and cannot manage it to save her life. She told me she has $1.50 in her bank account and has managed to "reschedule" most major bills this month, including her mortgage, electric, etc, but is going on a $400 trip next weekend, paid for a while back. While I don't begrudge her some pleasure, it is clear she would be better to put that money towards her various bills. I am thinking of sending her a small amount of money towards a particular bill, but wondering if I am opening a can of worms. We do not have a lot of money, and work around the clock. We have three small children, and I know the money would be better spent on them. Afterall, she has had her chances, and royally screwed everything up multiple times. For the record, we are not close, she was a terrible parent, struggles with mental illness, and is quite vicious with me. She doesn't spend time with us and does not know her grandchildren. But I still feel guilty. My greatest fear is that if I help her out once it opens the door to her expecting that in the future. What to do...? Any advice?



op here and I would like to share experiences

1. Your motivation will always be questioned, and your generosity will likely not be appreciated

2. Offer to pay her bills directly from you instead of giving her cash.

3. Once you pay her bills, you are expected to continue to do so unless you make it absolutely clear it's a one-time thing.

It is good that you are not close to your mom. In my case my relatives and I have been close and it's hard to write them off.

Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 21:39     Subject: Your poor relatives

Stop helping the relative, but do help the children specially if they want to change the"poor money handling" pattern when older.
(I don't care if you do what you do for you, for them or both!)
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 18:14     Subject: Re:Your poor relatives

What about a poor parent? New poster here. but i am in a similar situation with my mother. She is nutso crazy with money, and cannot manage it to save her life. She told me she has $1.50 in her bank account and has managed to "reschedule" most major bills this month, including her mortgage, electric, etc, but is going on a $400 trip next weekend, paid for a while back. While I don't begrudge her some pleasure, it is clear she would be better to put that money towards her various bills. I am thinking of sending her a small amount of money towards a particular bill, but wondering if I am opening a can of worms. We do not have a lot of money, and work around the clock. We have three small children, and I know the money would be better spent on them. Afterall, she has had her chances, and royally screwed everything up multiple times. For the record, we are not close, she was a terrible parent, struggles with mental illness, and is quite vicious with me. She doesn't spend time with us and does not know her grandchildren. But I still feel guilty. My greatest fear is that if I help her out once it opens the door to her expecting that in the future. What to do...? Any advice?
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 15:43     Subject: Your poor relatives

Huh?

How much are you talking about giving, OP? What do your relatives ask you for money for?
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 13:52     Subject: Your poor relatives

Yes, it's hopeless. It's their mentality. If you want to give them money then do, but don't have any strings attached.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 11:41     Subject: Your poor relatives

Anonymous wrote:op here.

I began to gave money away a long time ago when I was still poor. One relative used the money to rent cars every month for several years before I bought my first car. Another one used the money to eat out everyday. I am not surprised that they have became even poorer by now.

As for luck, the only luck I have is that I was born relatively smart but I attribute success (if any) to my hard working , often 10 hours day and often without breaks on weekends.

I am not going to teach them the virtue of hard working but am thinking about giving them real stuff not cash in the future. I have tried to teach one young relative skills that i think are important but so far he has shown no interests. Hence the frustration.


Don't do it. You don't sound generous and you are doing it to make yourself feel better. And I would re-think the luck part. Everyone I know (us included) is successful not just because of hardwork. Many people who are poor work hard. The thing that separates us is luck and opportunity. Best not to be smug.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 11:03     Subject: Re:Your poor relatives

Ugh. 529's.