Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 22:16     Subject: Re:Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Anonymous wrote:
Most European countries have managed to maintain democracy. I don't think we are more free than they are.




Really? You'd be mistaken.


You probably haven't spent much time in Europe.

Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 19:46     Subject: Re:Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Most European countries have managed to maintain democracy. I don't think we are more free than they are.




Really? You'd be mistaken.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 19:45     Subject: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:An armed uncontrollable populace that consents to be governed is the best country. This is a country that has a government , not the other way around .

Most European countries have managed to maintain democracy. I don't think we are more free than they are.


+1000
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 17:27     Subject: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Anonymous wrote:An armed uncontrollable populace that consents to be governed is the best country. This is a country that has a government , not the other way around .

Most European countries have managed to maintain democracy. I don't think we are more free than they are.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 13:21     Subject: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
90s were the crack wars. I'm not surprised it's down since then. DC was the murder capital back then.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 13:10     Subject: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
^^^ that's what makes us unique, special and revolutionary among countries of the world and the history of mankind.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 13:01     Subject: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
An armed uncontrollable populace that consents to be governed is the best country. This is a country that has a government , not the other way around .
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 12:56     Subject: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Anonymous wrote:^^widespread gun ownership ultimately enforces freedom of speech .

You have to disarm before muzzling speech is feasible .


Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 12:55     Subject: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
^^widespread gun ownership ultimately enforces freedom of speech .

You have to disarm before muzzling speech is feasible .
FruminousBandersnatch
Post 05/31/2014 11:57     Subject: Re:Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Anonymous wrote:Control freaks hate gun ownership. That's the point of the 2nd amendment and it's genius. Constitution is to control freaks as holy water is to satan.


Don't you think that control freaks would hate freedom of speech more than they would hate the right to own guns?
FruminousBandersnatch
Post 05/31/2014 11:56     Subject: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Anonymous wrote:
FruminousBandersnatch wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just pair background checks with mandatory voter ID and it will pass.

If one of the two gets overturned in court then the law sunsets.

It's compromise.


When you're talking about Constitutional rights it doesn't work like that. Each has to overcome the court's balancing test on its own merits.

So far, in-person voter ID laws have failed that balancing test.

For the most part, we can't get reasonable gun laws passed because of the disproportionate influence of a vocal minority of voters led by the NRA (not surprisingly, there's a significant overlap between those who are in favor of in-person voter ID laws and those who fear that any regulation of guns is the first step towards confiscation, disarmament and the triumph of the fascist, communist, crypto-Islamists seeking to bring Sharia law to God's country), so those laws aren't even getting reviewed by the courts.


Getting things done require major compromise. Otherwise nothin gonna happen.


It's not a question of compromise, it's simply a function of the way our government works. The courts would evaluate each of those things in isolation to determine whether they are Constitutional.

For the same reason you couldn't trade gun regulation for restricting the freedom of speech or religion in a certain way.

Even if it could work that way, given the proposal that if one was found unconstitutional the other would sunset, and given that courts are already striking down voter ID laws, that's not much of an offer.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 11:28     Subject: Re:Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Anonymous wrote:Control freaks hate gun ownership. That's the point of the 2nd amendment and it's genius. Constitution is to control freaks as holy water is to satan.


Typical emotional response lacks substance.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 11:14     Subject: Re:Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Control freaks hate gun ownership. That's the point of the 2nd amendment and it's genius. Constitution is to control freaks as holy water is to satan.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2014 11:12     Subject: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
FruminousBandersnatch wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just pair background checks with mandatory voter ID and it will pass.

If one of the two gets overturned in court then the law sunsets.

It's compromise.


When you're talking about Constitutional rights it doesn't work like that. Each has to overcome the court's balancing test on its own merits.

So far, in-person voter ID laws have failed that balancing test.

For the most part, we can't get reasonable gun laws passed because of the disproportionate influence of a vocal minority of voters led by the NRA (not surprisingly, there's a significant overlap between those who are in favor of in-person voter ID laws and those who fear that any regulation of guns is the first step towards confiscation, disarmament and the triumph of the fascist, communist, crypto-Islamists seeking to bring Sharia law to God's country), so those laws aren't even getting reviewed by the courts.


Getting things done require major compromise. Otherwise nothin gonna happen.
FruminousBandersnatch
Post 05/31/2014 10:42     Subject: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Anonymous wrote:Just pair background checks with mandatory voter ID and it will pass.

If one of the two gets overturned in court then the law sunsets.

It's compromise.


When you're talking about Constitutional rights it doesn't work like that. Each has to overcome the court's balancing test on its own merits.

So far, in-person voter ID laws have failed that balancing test.

For the most part, we can't get reasonable gun laws passed because of the disproportionate influence of a vocal minority of voters led by the NRA (not surprisingly, there's a significant overlap between those who are in favor of in-person voter ID laws and those who fear that any regulation of guns is the first step towards confiscation, disarmament and the triumph of the fascist, communist, crypto-Islamists seeking to bring Sharia law to God's country), so those laws aren't even getting reviewed by the courts.