Anonymous
Post 03/03/2014 07:25     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know every time I see Lady Mary chastely flit from suitor to suitor in Downton Abbey, I want Rhett Butler to show up and ravage her. I think many American women in the 1930s were looking for a Rhett Butler and it wouldn't be believable for some southern aristocrat like Melanie to be the target of Rhett's attention. So they needed a woman with moxie like Scarlett to fulfill their imagination. Her dad had to someone other than the southern stereotype to begat such a daughter


I think you mean ravish.



Or perhaps PP meant "rape" because that famous scene where he carries her up the stairs is the great American cinematic rape scene. He kisses her, and then he forcefully carries her upstairs. Next scene, she's in bed all content and smiles. It was a great message to men out there--if your woman says "no," she really means "yes" and you should make her have sex with you because that's really what she needs and wants


There's always one of you in the bunch.

And yes. Sometimes a woman like Scarlett wants a man like Rhett to take control. See the relationships forums, both explicit and non.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2014 06:45     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know every time I see Lady Mary chastely flit from suitor to suitor in Downton Abbey, I want Rhett Butler to show up and ravage her. I think many American women in the 1930s were looking for a Rhett Butler and it wouldn't be believable for some southern aristocrat like Melanie to be the target of Rhett's attention. So they needed a woman with moxie like Scarlett to fulfill their imagination. Her dad had to someone other than the southern stereotype to begat such a daughter


I think you mean ravish.



Or perhaps PP meant "rape" because that famous scene where he carries her up the stairs is the great American cinematic rape scene. He kisses her, and then he forcefully carries her upstairs. Next scene, she's in bed all content and smiles. It was a great message to men out there--if your woman says "no," she really means "yes" and you should make her have sex with you because that's really what she needs and wants


I was the poster and I did mean "ravish."

To the poster who thinks the scene when Rhett Butler carried Scarlett O'Hara was "the great American cinematic rape scene," you must never have been raped. It ain't like that sweetie.


Of course it's not. Exactly my point. Rape is glamorized right there on the big screen telling every guy, "Go ahead. When she says 'no' she really wants it. If she resists, fight harder. Just drag her upstairs and do it. She'll be all smiles, just like Scarlett, when it's over."
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2014 06:36     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Anonymous wrote:Actually, I was under the impression that there were a fair # of Irish slaveholders in the "good ol" South. No?


No. The Irish were too late to the game, immigrationally speaking, to be large plantation slaveholders. The large Irish immigration occurred around 1840-1870, with the famines and other troubles in Ireland.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 23:16     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Anonymous wrote:Actually, I was under the impression that there were a fair # of Irish slaveholders in the "good ol" South. No?


Nope. The Irish were too busy building the railroads.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 22:24     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Only on DCUM can a thread devolve into a competition over who was most accurately raped.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 21:43     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Anonymous wrote:

I was the poster and I did mean "ravish."

To the poster who thinks the scene when Rhett Butler carried Scarlett O'Hara was "the great American cinematic rape scene," you must never have been raped. It ain't like that sweetie.


I didn't know that there was only one way to be raped.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 20:49     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Anonymous wrote:Actually, I was under the impression that there were a fair # of Irish slaveholders in the "good ol" South. No?




Relatively speaking, no.

How many African-Americans do you know with Irish surnames? Not many.....
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 20:27     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Actually, I was under the impression that there were a fair # of Irish slaveholders in the "good ol" South. No?
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 20:15     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know every time I see Lady Mary chastely flit from suitor to suitor in Downton Abbey, I want Rhett Butler to show up and ravage her. I think many American women in the 1930s were looking for a Rhett Butler and it wouldn't be believable for some southern aristocrat like Melanie to be the target of Rhett's attention. So they needed a woman with moxie like Scarlett to fulfill their imagination. Her dad had to someone other than the southern stereotype to begat such a daughter


coughcoughMr.Pamukcough


Totally
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 18:56     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Anonymous wrote:You know every time I see Lady Mary chastely flit from suitor to suitor in Downton Abbey, I want Rhett Butler to show up and ravage her. I think many American women in the 1930s were looking for a Rhett Butler and it wouldn't be believable for some southern aristocrat like Melanie to be the target of Rhett's attention. So they needed a woman with moxie like Scarlett to fulfill their imagination. Her dad had to someone other than the southern stereotype to begat such a daughter


coughcoughMr.Pamukcough
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 18:33     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know every time I see Lady Mary chastely flit from suitor to suitor in Downton Abbey, I want Rhett Butler to show up and ravage her. I think many American women in the 1930s were looking for a Rhett Butler and it wouldn't be believable for some southern aristocrat like Melanie to be the target of Rhett's attention. So they needed a woman with moxie like Scarlett to fulfill their imagination. Her dad had to someone other than the southern stereotype to begat such a daughter


I think you mean ravish.



Or perhaps PP meant "rape" because that famous scene where he carries her up the stairs is the great American cinematic rape scene. He kisses her, and then he forcefully carries her upstairs. Next scene, she's in bed all content and smiles. It was a great message to men out there--if your woman says "no," she really means "yes" and you should make her have sex with you because that's really what she needs and wants


I was the poster and I did mean "ravish."

To the poster who thinks the scene when Rhett Butler carried Scarlett O'Hara was "the great American cinematic rape scene," you must never have been raped. It ain't like that sweetie.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 18:11     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Anonymous wrote:At one time the Irish were as reviled as illegal Latino immigrants are today.


Yes.

Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 18:04     Subject: Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
At one time the Irish were as reviled as illegal Latino immigrants are today.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2014 10:40     Subject: Re:Why do you suppose that Mitchell made Scarlett's father Irish?
Mitchell also created Scarlett slightly autobiographically. Mitchell's maternal grandfather was an Irish immigrant.