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Anonymous wrote:My DC got in last year with WISC FSIQ of 147, but I've seen scores in 130's made in to the AAP. Scores in 120's are not safe(?) as a ticket to the AAP, but of course, there are always exceptions. GL!

I'm guessing that the kids scoring in the 120s are found eligible if the verbal and perceptual reasoning scores are high and it's the working memory and processing speed that are lower. So probably the GAI is still in the 130s.

It makes no sense statistically. There are 11-13% in AAP, and only 2-3% with WISC over 130. Also taking into consideration that high IQ parents make more money and choose private, thus removing some of the high IQ DCs from the sample.

we were found not eligible with WISC 147 (all subsocre in 145 range) & GBRS=8

Any suggestions to what to include for appeal?

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Anonymous wrote:Our DC had a GBRS of 11, was in the pool (but rejected). We got a WISC and DC had very high scores on Perceptual and Visual; however, the WMI was AVG and the the Processing was really LOW. We appealed and DC was accepted. DC is 2E, and we are in the process of getting the school to recognize such and asking for accomodation. Oddly enough, schools suggested that we rethink AAP (child has writing issues), and I replied that AAP is where DC belongs, and that they need to provide for DC. In short, know that 2E kids are just now being recognized by the schools and they arent always sure of the the law - or so it seems.

PP, would you mind sharing the scores for WISC, in terms of Perceptual, Visual, WMI and Processing? Is the 2E due to low processing speed or something else? How to prove 2E?

Comprehensive Neuropsych evaluation-will run you between $3-4K for a full test battery and written report.

Anonymous wrote:Our DC had a GBRS of 11, was in the pool (but rejected). We got a WISC and DC had very high scores on Perceptual and Visual; however, the WMI was AVG and the the Processing was really LOW. We appealed and DC was accepted. DC is 2E, and we are in the process of getting the school to recognize such and asking for accomodation. Oddly enough, schools suggested that we rethink AAP (child has writing issues), and I replied that AAP is where DC belongs, and that they need to provide for DC. In short, know that 2E kids are just now being recognized by the schools and they arent always sure of the the law - or so it seems.

I wish people would decide in which arena they want their kids to get extra help. With all the budget cuts etc, I really don't think FCPS should have to cater both to an individual child's "giftedness" and "special needs". Meanwhile all the "average" kids get nothing extra. (Coming from a mother of a child who could be categorized as 2E - ADD and a very fast learner/thinker.)

Just about anything gets your accepted these days : /

Anonymous wrote:Our DC had a GBRS of 11, was in the pool (but rejected). We got a WISC and DC had very high scores on Perceptual and Visual; however, the WMI was AVG and the the Processing was really LOW. We appealed and DC was accepted. DC is 2E, and we are in the process of getting the school to recognize such and asking for accomodation. Oddly enough, schools suggested that we rethink AAP (child has writing issues), and I replied that AAP is where DC belongs, and that they need to provide for DC. In short, know that 2E kids are just now being recognized by the schools and they arent always sure of the the law - or so it seems.

PP, would you mind sharing the scores for WISC, in terms of Perceptual, Visual, WMI and Processing? Is the 2E due to low processing speed or something else? How to prove 2E?

Our DC had a GBRS of 11, was in the pool (but rejected). We got a WISC and DC had very high scores on Perceptual and Visual; however, the WMI was AVG and the the Processing was really LOW. We appealed and DC was accepted. DC is 2E, and we are in the process of getting the school to recognize such and asking for accomodation. Oddly enough, schools suggested that we rethink AAP (child has writing issues), and I replied that AAP is where DC belongs, and that they need to provide for DC. In short, know that 2E kids are just now being recognized by the schools and they arent always sure of the the law - or so it seems.

WE GOT IN WITH WISC OF 152 AND THE SUBJECTIVE RATING OF GBRS OF 6.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen kids with high 120s get accepted. 140 is almost a slam dunk. High probability if it is between 130 and 140.

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VCI and PRI can be markedly higher than WMI and PSI which are often closer to average (100) in gifted kids.

Looking for subtest scores in the area of 15 and higher

140+ FSIQ or GAI is a strong score

Thanks, PP. DC has VCI and PRI between 130 and 140, but PSI is only 105 and WMI in 120s. I thought there was something wrong with DC given the unevenness in the subtest scores. Your post is reassuring.

What were your DC's cogat and nnat scores?

DC is in a private school right now, so there is no cogat or nnat scores. I didn't prep DC. He has all kind of "negative traits" of gifted kids since young, such as severe food allergies, difficulty falling asleep, need very little sleep, emotional sensitivity, really mind tags and socks seams, strong will and highly spirited, preferred adults than kids, very hard to parent. So I am very curious about what he can do on his own. We are thinking of switching him over to the public school coming fall.

Are you saying that food allergy could be a sign of giftdness ? This is the first time I am hearing this and my child who shows a lot of the positive traits of giftdness has food allergies, so I am very curious where you get this information.

http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Articles/early_childhood/e10.pdf


Misdiagnosis and Dual Diagnoses of Gifted Children and Adults:
http://books.google.com/books?id=NQrtt-peg5AC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=food+allergies+gifted+kids&source=bl&ots=SgUmxQplWo&sig=VmpRvfsnU_QRfFFZ2zvdjDhHWW4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LRcAU6_cOouu0AHin4GwDg&ved=0CHwQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=food%20allergies%20gifted%20kids&f=false

http://www.thinkingahead.com.au/Documents/Recognising%20Giftedness%20-Dr%20LK%20Silverman.pdf

It is the same psychologist referenced in the sites above. She just talks about "children with food allergies". Having a true IgE mediated food allergy would cause a child to react with hives, vomiting, wheezing etc. I think she is just referring to young children who are fussy and end up having food sensitivities. I highly doubt there is any scientific correlation between true food allergies and intellect and I have never seen any studies about or reference to such an association in pediatric literature - though I have never done a search on the subject. (DC has IgE mediated food allergies and is a Davidson young scholar - highly doubt one has anything to do with the other.)

Who knew that there was such a benefit to my child's projectile vomiting, hives and tongue swelling whenever exposed to tree nuts? I need to spread the word to other parents of allergic kids...your child's deathly allergy is just a sign of giftedness

A WISC is a good indicator of strengths and weaknesses.
If you really want a CogAt and your kid is not enrolled in public school, you can call GMU.

I looked into this for my DC just out of curiosity. His private school is not into scores, but they do a nice job differentiating up and down.

If I wanted to know how he learned, I'd get a WISC. If I just wanted to know if he has a high aptitude across the board, I'd get a CogAT.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen kids with high 120s get accepted. 140 is almost a slam dunk. High probability if it is between 130 and 140.

+1

VCI and PRI can be markedly higher than WMI and PSI which are often closer to average (100) in gifted kids.

Looking for subtest scores in the area of 15 and higher

140+ FSIQ or GAI is a strong score

Thanks, PP. DC has VCI and PRI between 130 and 140, but PSI is only 105 and WMI in 120s. I thought there was something wrong with DC given the unevenness in the subtest scores. Your post is reassuring.

What were your DC's cogat and nnat scores?

DC is in a private school right now, so there is no cogat or nnat scores. I didn't prep DC. He has all kind of "negative traits" of gifted kids since young, such as severe food allergies, difficulty falling asleep, need very little sleep, emotional sensitivity, really mind tags and socks seams, strong will and highly spirited, preferred adults than kids, very hard to parent. So I am very curious about what he can do on his own. We are thinking of switching him over to the public school coming fall.

Are you saying that food allergy could be a sign of giftdness ? This is the first time I am hearing this and my child who shows a lot of the positive traits of giftdness has food allergies, so I am very curious where you get this information.

http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Articles/early_childhood/e10.pdf


Misdiagnosis and Dual Diagnoses of Gifted Children and Adults:
http://books.google.com/books?id=NQrtt-peg5AC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=food+allergies+gifted+kids&source=bl&ots=SgUmxQplWo&sig=VmpRvfsnU_QRfFFZ2zvdjDhHWW4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LRcAU6_cOouu0AHin4GwDg&ved=0CHwQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=food%20allergies%20gifted%20kids&f=false

http://www.thinkingahead.com.au/Documents/Recognising%20Giftedness%20-Dr%20LK%20Silverman.pdf

It is the same psychologist referenced in the sites above. She just talks about "children with food allergies". Having a true IgE mediated food allergy would cause a child to react with hives, vomiting, wheezing etc. I think she is just referring to young children who are fussy and end up having food sensitivities. I highly doubt there is any scientific correlation between true food allergies and intellect and I have never seen any studies about or reference to such an association in pediatric literature - though I have never done a search on the subject. (DC has IgE mediated food allergies and is a Davidson young scholar - highly doubt one has anything to do with the other.)

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen kids with high 120s get accepted. 140 is almost a slam dunk. High probability if it is between 130 and 140.

+1

VCI and PRI can be markedly higher than WMI and PSI which are often closer to average (100) in gifted kids.

Looking for subtest scores in the area of 15 and higher

140+ FSIQ or GAI is a strong score

Thanks, PP. DC has VCI and PRI between 130 and 140, but PSI is only 105 and WMI in 120s. I thought there was something wrong with DC given the unevenness in the subtest scores. Your post is reassuring.

What were your DC's cogat and nnat scores?

DC is in a private school right now, so there is no cogat or nnat scores. I didn't prep DC. He has all kind of "negative traits" of gifted kids since young, such as severe food allergies, difficulty falling asleep, need very little sleep, emotional sensitivity, really mind tags and socks seams, strong will and highly spirited, preferred adults than kids, very hard to parent. So I am very curious about what he can do on his own. We are thinking of switching him over to the public school coming fall.

Are you saying that food allergy could be a sign of giftdness ? This is the first time I am hearing this and my child who shows a lot of the positive traits of giftdness has food allergies, so I am very curious where you get this information.

http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Articles/early_childhood/e10.pdf


Misdiagnosis and Dual Diagnoses of Gifted Children and Adults:
http://books.google.com/books?id=NQrtt-peg5AC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=food+allergies+gifted+kids&source=bl&ots=SgUmxQplWo&sig=VmpRvfsnU_QRfFFZ2zvdjDhHWW4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LRcAU6_cOouu0AHin4GwDg&ved=0CHwQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=food%20allergies%20gifted%20kids&f=false

http://www.thinkingahead.com.au/Documents/Recognising%20Giftedness%20-Dr%20LK%20Silverman.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen kids with high 120s get accepted. 140 is almost a slam dunk. High probability if it is between 130 and 140.

+1

VCI and PRI can be markedly higher than WMI and PSI which are often closer to average (100) in gifted kids.

Looking for subtest scores in the area of 15 and higher

140+ FSIQ or GAI is a strong score

Thanks, PP. DC has VCI and PRI between 130 and 140, but PSI is only 105 and WMI in 120s. I thought there was something wrong with DC given the unevenness in the subtest scores. Your post is reassuring.

What were your DC's cogat and nnat scores?

DC is in a private school right now, so there is no cogat or nnat scores. I didn't prep DC. He has all kind of "negative traits" of gifted kids since young, such as severe food allergies, difficulty falling asleep, need very little sleep, emotional sensitivity, really mind tags and socks seams, strong will and highly spirited, preferred adults than kids, very hard to parent. So I am very curious about what he can do on his own. We are thinking of switching him over to the public school coming fall.

Are you saying that food allergy could be a sign of giftdness ? This is the first time I am hearing this and my child who shows a lot of the positive traits of giftdness has food allergies, so I am very curious where you get this information.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen kids with high 120s get accepted. 140 is almost a slam dunk. High probability if it is between 130 and 140.

+1

VCI and PRI can be markedly higher than WMI and PSI which are often closer to average (100) in gifted kids.

Looking for subtest scores in the area of 15 and higher

140+ FSIQ or GAI is a strong score

Thanks, PP. DC has VCI and PRI between 130 and 140, but PSI is only 105 and WMI in 120s. I thought there was something wrong with DC given the unevenness in the subtest scores. Your post is reassuring.

What were your DC's cogat and nnat scores?

DC is in a private school right now, so there is no cogat or nnat scores. I didn't prep DC. He has all kind of "negative traits" of gifted kids since young, such as severe food allergies, difficulty falling asleep, need very little sleep, emotional sensitivity, really mind tags and socks seams, strong will and highly spirited, preferred adults than kids, very hard to parent. So I am very curious about what he can do on his own. We are thinking of switching him over to the public school coming fall.

Is there a correlation between food allergies and giftedness? I have not heard this before.

I'm curious about this too - this is the second time I have read this in the recent future. Not sure if the other time was on DCUM or not! I think food allergies make kids more "sensory", but can't quite see the association with intellect.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen kids with high 120s get accepted. 140 is almost a slam dunk. High probability if it is between 130 and 140.

+1

VCI and PRI can be markedly higher than WMI and PSI which are often closer to average (100) in gifted kids.

Looking for subtest scores in the area of 15 and higher

140+ FSIQ or GAI is a strong score

Thanks, PP. DC has VCI and PRI between 130 and 140, but PSI is only 105 and WMI in 120s. I thought there was something wrong with DC given the unevenness in the subtest scores. Your post is reassuring.

What were your DC's cogat and nnat scores?

DC is in a private school right now, so there is no cogat or nnat scores. I didn't prep DC. He has all kind of "negative traits" of gifted kids since young, such as severe food allergies, difficulty falling asleep, need very little sleep, emotional sensitivity, really mind tags and socks seams, strong will and highly spirited, preferred adults than kids, very hard to parent. So I am very curious about what he can do on his own. We are thinking of switching him over to the public school coming fall.

Is there a correlation between food allergies and giftedness? I have not heard this before.