Anonymous
Post 02/05/2014 07:40     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

Anonymous wrote:As for the comparison about the high cost of football. I think a lot is about college. There are 245 college NCAA football teams. There are 138 schools with ice hockey.


The point I tried to make with football costs was not whether the money was poorly spent or well spent. Rather, the previous poster implied that hockey costs money so poor kids couldn't play. My point is that all sports costs money and none of them are "free".
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2014 07:31     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:FACT: Sports/coaches and Music/Arts budgets are all cut to increase funding for ESOL and FARMS. So all of you for illegal aliens having the same rights as us, have to be understanding that this will continue to happen to Maryland public schools.

In 5yrs there will be no middle school or JV sports in MCPS, let alone new sports like hockey, rugby, gymnastics etc..,


No child should go hungry or struggle to understand English because someone wants to play ice hockey. I get that it is a fun sport and kids love it. But there are already plenty of resources to play at the club level and it would be so expensive and challenging to set up in the schools. I doubt some schools could even field one team. There are only a few ice arenas in the county, were would practice occur? How would they share ice time? How are kids from the outer schools going to get to the practice ice? Or are you just thinking the W schools would participate?

I tend to think lacrosse is the substitute for ice hockey.


Your questions have already been answered.

First, recognition goes a long way, even before money is brought into the picture. MCPS should start with recognition.

Second, As for children going hungary, etc. - let's answer this honestly. This should apply to all sports equally. Football should be discussed in this mix too. My understanding is that sports help teach teamwork and sportsmanship. It also helps build school spirit and keeps the kids engaged in the school. Those are the benefits. I think sports/activity funding should be examined outside of this issue. I am not sure why the school system should pick a few specific sports or activities.

Third, a HS hockey league already exists with schools practicing. The W-schools play, but so do other schools (Richard Montgomery, Sherwood, Blair all have teams off my head). If schools don't have enough kids for a team, they can join a neighboring school team. The petition is just asking for more recognition of this league. It is not trying to create a league from scratch.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2014 07:17     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

As for the comparison about the high cost of football. I think a lot is about college. There are 245 college NCAA football teams. There are 138 schools with ice hockey.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2014 07:16     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

Anonymous wrote:I like the idea of offering as many sports as possible, but wouldn't this require the building of ice rinks at schools?


All the HS club teams rent ice from public or private rinks. This is a sound sports model and helps keep the rinks operating. A lot of the practice time takes place at hours the rink might otherwise have trouble filling.

Meanwhile, every time I drive by our HS football stadium or baseball field, it is empty. This is not true of the local rinks.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2014 07:11     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

Anonymous wrote:FACT: Sports/coaches and Music/Arts budgets are all cut to increase funding for ESOL and FARMS. So all of you for illegal aliens having the same rights as us, have to be understanding that this will continue to happen to Maryland public schools.

In 5yrs there will be no middle school or JV sports in MCPS, let alone new sports like hockey, rugby, gymnastics etc..,


No child should go hungry or struggle to understand English because someone wants to play ice hockey. I get that it is a fun sport and kids love it. But there are already plenty of resources to play at the club level and it would be so expensive and challenging to set up in the schools. I doubt some schools could even field one team. There are only a few ice arenas in the county, were would practice occur? How would they share ice time? How are kids from the outer schools going to get to the practice ice? Or are you just thinking the W schools would participate?

I tend to think lacrosse is the substitute for ice hockey.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2014 07:05     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

Anonymous wrote:But it's not like a varsity team in that they only people who can go out for the team are those with enough money to buy their own equipment and have parents who can make arrangements to shuttle them to practices and games. This seems more like a travel soccer team than a school team. They may be great players, but they are not representative of the school in that not everyone at the school can afford to try out for the team.


What??? This is one of the points of the petition. Do you honestly think hockey is more expensive the football? Football is subsidized with nice stadiums, full uniforms, coaches, referees, practice equipment, etc. It's only free because the school system and booster clubs pay for it. Why can't any sport have that model?

As for having talent and skills to make your HS team, I am willing to bet that most HS sports have kids whose parents had to pay money to play basketball, soccer, lacrosse, etc. all throughout youth. I bet most of these other HS teams have travel players on them. Also, The RM coach on the video even said they would take new kids and work with them.


As for your comment that these kids don't represent their school - that is just silly. They all come from the same school and put the school name on the uniform. Taken further, are you saying that any diversity in a school means they don't represent that school because they are not like the majority? If a team was made up of a poor minority group in an a mostly white school, should they not be allowed to play under the school name? Like I say, I went to a public HS hockey game the other night where the stands were full and the teams and fans were definitely representing. I don't think this point is well thought out.

Previous posters are right. I think a little recognition would go a long way. It's a start. There probably other sports/clubs where this is true too.


Anonymous
Post 02/05/2014 04:41     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

But it's not like a varsity team in that they only people who can go out for the team are those with enough money to buy their own equipment and have parents who can make arrangements to shuttle them to practices and games. This seems more like a travel soccer team than a school team. They may be great players, but they are not representative of the school in that not everyone at the school can afford to try out for the team.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2014 23:42     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

What recognition does the school give a football team besides a banquet at the end of the year?


They get announcements of games, school support on transportation, pep rallies...etc. ...and Varsity letters and a reference to their athletic achievements on their transcript.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2014 21:22     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

We are a hockey family. I just attended a game tonight (Tuesday) in Laurel with Howard and Glenelg and that place was rocking. My kids are not in high school, but they will be. Here are some thoughts....

- Getting MCPS funding, etc. is going to be hard, but these club sports like rugby, hockey, etc. should at least get school sponsorship and support. Kids should be able to earn a letter, have a yearbook page, get games announced in the morning, etc. They should get some recognition. Hockey is such an exciting sport and you could easily build school spirit with this sport. I saw it tonight in Laurel.

- MCPS should send some money over to Parks and Rec to fix up Cabin John in order to put in some more stands on the NHL rink or let the HS's play over in the Olympic Rink where the stands are better. Then, the schools should be able to charge money for games and maybe sell or get a cut of the refreshment stand. This money can pay for security, ice time, etc.

- I would really push that youth hockey is taking off. Last year the Montgomery Youth Hockey club (MYHA) had something like 12 house teams and 8 travel teams at the squirt level. That doesn't include a couple more teams of Montgomery kids over at Chevy Chase. Some of these kids will go to private school, but my guess is that most won't (except maybe the Chevy Chase kids

- Long term, I would push for a new sports funding model. I think MCPS and other public systems should just give an activity budget to each school and let the individual schools decide where to spend it. Why should a school field a lousy football team every year if the school won't support it. Move that money to something the school will support, music or arts or hockey. Let parents and gate funds pay for the rest. If a kid wants to play football at a school that won't support it, let that kid play for a neighbor school (The Md Scholastic Hockey League uses this model today. When high schools don't have enough kids for a team than join a multiple school team.

I signed your petition. Good luck.

Anonymous
Post 02/04/2014 17:52     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:On the one hand, if I understand the proposal, my thought is why not. It does not seem like they are asking for anything other than recognition -- i.e. they are not asking for financial support -- and the cost of a letter patch is nothing in exchange for the student athletes agreeing to adhered to the same grade and conduct standards as other school athletes. If the students are not willing to agree to have minimum GPA and conduct standards, then I don't think the school should be involved. On the other hand, what about the kids who play on non-school associated teams? Are we going to give letters to excellent players on travel teams? In the end, I am for it, though I don't see why the OP wants to invite MCPS and the associated bureaucracy into his organization.


Here's the thing. It can't work this way. Either hockey becomes a varsity sport and follows all MCPS rules (not likely to happen given the state of the athletics budget) OR it remains a sport outside of MCPS as it is now. Technically sports organizations that run "club teams" such as hockey, rugby, etc aren't supposed to be supported or recognized by their school. This includes school announcements, use of rooms for meetings, equipment and facilities or yearbook photos. In reality I think many places let some of this slide as there really isn't much harm in a picture in a yearbook or a morning announcement (equipment and facilities are a different matter).

Asking for both ways really isn't going to happen.


Looks like we have an answer for the win.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2014 11:06     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

Anonymous wrote:On the one hand, if I understand the proposal, my thought is why not. It does not seem like they are asking for anything other than recognition -- i.e. they are not asking for financial support -- and the cost of a letter patch is nothing in exchange for the student athletes agreeing to adhered to the same grade and conduct standards as other school athletes. If the students are not willing to agree to have minimum GPA and conduct standards, then I don't think the school should be involved. On the other hand, what about the kids who play on non-school associated teams? Are we going to give letters to excellent players on travel teams? In the end, I am for it, though I don't see why the OP wants to invite MCPS and the associated bureaucracy into his organization.


Here's the thing. It can't work this way. Either hockey becomes a varsity sport and follows all MCPS rules (not likely to happen given the state of the athletics budget) OR it remains a sport outside of MCPS as it is now. Technically sports organizations that run "club teams" such as hockey, rugby, etc aren't supposed to be supported or recognized by their school. This includes school announcements, use of rooms for meetings, equipment and facilities or yearbook photos. In reality I think many places let some of this slide as there really isn't much harm in a picture in a yearbook or a morning announcement (equipment and facilities are a different matter).

Asking for both ways really isn't going to happen.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2014 09:26     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

On the one hand, if I understand the proposal, my thought is why not. It does not seem like they are asking for anything other than recognition -- i.e. they are not asking for financial support -- and the cost of a letter patch is nothing in exchange for the student athletes agreeing to adhered to the same grade and conduct standards as other school athletes. If the students are not willing to agree to have minimum GPA and conduct standards, then I don't think the school should be involved. On the other hand, what about the kids who play on non-school associated teams? Are we going to give letters to excellent players on travel teams? In the end, I am for it, though I don't see why the OP wants to invite MCPS and the associated bureaucracy into his organization.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2014 23:30     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

Anonymous wrote:I like the idea of offering as many sports as possible, but wouldn't this require the building of ice rinks at schools?
no, schools have swim teams and use non-school pools.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2014 23:29     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

Anonymous wrote:I know you all understand better than anyone just how much time, commitment, and money is required to play high school hockey. It is completely unbelievable to me that a dedicated athlete can put so much into a sport and not be recognized for that effort. I think it’s time to change that! I started a petition a while back and if you have not signed it, please go there now and do so. Please tell your friends and family as well. The more people who sign helps us to show how big the sport is to our area. Here is the link:

http://www.change.org/petitions/montgomery-county-public-schools-make-ice-hockey-an-official-varsity-sport

Because of my strong feelings that something should be done, I decided to make this goal of mine my MYP Project. Part of my project, which will also help in my overall goal, is to present my case to the Montgomery School Board. I would like to include your thoughts to the Board in a couple of weeks. Our future high school hockey players deserve a Varsity Letter, like every other athlete in our county!!


Done! Signed & supported! Good luck
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2014 19:24     Subject: Montgomery County Public Schools: Make Ice Hockey An Official Varsity Sport

I like the idea of offering as many sports as possible, but wouldn't this require the building of ice rinks at schools?