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Anonymous wrote:Second grade teacher at a center school. I have enthusiastically supported students with scores like your child has OP and they have all got in to AAP (previously GT). On the other hand I have given GBRS as low as 6 to kids who had 140 and above on Nnat or CoGat subtest and they all got in too. Your child's scores are close enough that if the GBRS and commentary are high, he/she should get in.

This is why we won't do public in Ffx county. I don't want a second grade teacher making these decisions. Not qualified to determine who should be in a gifted program.

This poster is very ignorant of the process, as the GBRS with commentary is contributed to by MULTIPLE people at a school, including the K, 1st and 2nd grade teachers, counselors, and AART to name a few...there is a LOCAL screening committee at every school and we are told they always try and give the child the best opportunity to represent well in the GBRS. So why don't you learn a thing or two and then make comments?

at 06:53 - while you're being a harpy reality broker, if it's not general education, it's got to be special education, right? Why don't you leave this forum and your comments are unhelpul and insulting in their attacks

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Second grade teacher at a center school. I have enthusiastically supported students with scores like your child has OP and they have all got in to AAP (previously GT). On the other hand I have given GBRS as low as 6 to kids who had 140 and above on Nnat or CoGat subtest and they all got in too. Your child's scores are close enough that if the GBRS and commentary are high, he/she should get in.

This is why we won't do public in Ffx county. I don't want a second grade teacher making these decisions. Not qualified to determine who should be in a gifted program.

Wait a minute!

You don't have school age children yet and even if you did, they aren't goig to attend fcps?

What the heck are you doing in the FAIRFAX COUNTY Public Schools AAP forum?

You have nothing of value to contribute to this discussion in either direction: pro or anti AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:Second grade teacher at a center school. I have enthusiastically supported students with scores like your child has OP and they have all got in to AAP (previously GT). On the other hand I have given GBRS as low as 6 to kids who had 140 and above on Nnat or CoGat subtest and they all got in too. Your child's scores are close enough that if the GBRS and commentary are high, he/she should get in.

This is why we won't do public in Ffx county. I don't want a second grade teacher making these decisions. Not qualified to determine who should be in a gifted program.

Teachers in every single part of the country make decisions and give input as to which students should be placed in gifted programs.

They are professionals, and have far more training in that subject and see far more students over the course of their careers than you do in your lifetime.

Saying a teacher should not make that decision is like saying a parent has more knowledge than a ballet instructor who is ready to go en pointe, or that a coach shouldn't decide who is pitcher.

If you don't feel that teachers are professional or competent enough to evaluate their students, then perhaps you should homeschool.

Anonymous wrote:Second grade teacher at a center school. I have enthusiastically supported students with scores like your child has OP and they have all got in to AAP (previously GT). On the other hand I have given GBRS as low as 6 to kids who had 140 and above on Nnat or CoGat subtest and they all got in too. Your child's scores are close enough that if the GBRS and commentary are high, he/she should get in.

This is why we won't do public in Ffx county. I don't want a second grade teacher making these decisions. Not qualified to determine who should be in a gifted program.

Although being in the high reading, spelling, and math groups does not always mean a child should be in AAP, with those test scores I would still do a parent referral. Scores alone are not the only criteria for AAP. Many bright children with good work habits and effort are in the higher groups, while some gifted students struggle in a traditional classroom. That is why there are multiple sources of information included in the AAP portfolio.

Anonymous wrote:OP- Please refer and don't listen to any posters who urge you not to. My middle ds' score on the nnat topped at 122. and yet his teacher urged us to get a referral. He's now at Mosby Woods, and truly happy that he's there. I plan to do the same for my youngest ds this year (again, only 124) Maybe this will work out for him, or maybe not, but I'd feel better for trying.

Wow. Times have changed! Hard to argue that kids with these scores can't have their needs met at their base school. What a MESS this program is! Glad your child is truly happy though -- I guess that's the new standard. Forget kids with equal or better profiles who are relegated to general ed....

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Anonymous wrote:13:58, that is really rude.

could have been said better but it is a dose of reality around here. Why does AAP need a student with those stats?

I thought that students were the ones with needs, not AAP.

Right, and this particular student doesn't have the stats. Why doesn't Mom just accept that and move on?

Anonymous wrote:13:58, that is really rude.

I don't give a shit. Some of you need to snap the hell out of it.

AAP is for kids whose needs cannot be met under the general ed system. It sounds like OP's kids' needs are being met. Why do some of you constantly try to push your kids into some place where they belong. I'm sure the child is plenty bright. Just not AAP material.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. My kid had 134 on the NNAT, 12 on GBRS and was not accepted, but in the pool. We appealed with a WISC of 133 and she got in.

As noted earlier, some kids with NNAT under 130 get in, it is a very subjective process.

Curious, what were the CoGAT scores?

Interesting. My kid had 134 on the NNAT, 12 on GBRS and was not accepted, but in the pool. We appealed with a WISC of 133 and she got in.

As noted earlier, some kids with NNAT under 130 get in, it is a very subjective process.

When I was told by AAP (rather sternly) that my child's scores were not in range, I asked, "then can you assure me that no child will be admitted with scores that are lower?" Ha! They didn't like that question. In the end I didn't refer. I suspected that my #2 would not come close to qualifying, so in the interest of family harmony I kept them together ~ glad I did.

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Anonymous wrote:13:58, that is really rude.

could have been said better but it is a dose of reality around here. Why does AAP need a student with those stats?

I thought that students were the ones with needs, not AAP.

Several years ago, our DC (now a 6th grader in AAP) did not have in pool scores but we referred with new information (a WISC score). NNAT was 109 and CogAT scores were somewhere in the 120s.

Our DC was in the midst of being evaluated at Children's for ADHD after the CogAT was given and before the referral deadline, so we went with the WISC score as part of the referral.

Anonymous wrote:Second grade teacher at a center school. I have enthusiastically supported students with scores like your child has OP and they have all got in to AAP (previously GT). On the other hand I have given GBRS as low as 6 to kids who had 140 and above on Nnat or CoGat subtest and they all got in too. Your child's scores are close enough that if the GBRS and commentary are high, he/she should get in.

^ everything that is wrong with the program in a nutshell.