Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 16:55     Subject: Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

Anonymous wrote:Only 2 kids? Damn, your mom was a slacker.


Three kids.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 16:52     Subject: Re:Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

Anonymous wrote:Oh, my father had his faults - as did my mother. I just don't remember my mother ever blaming my father for whatever misfortune - if any - she suffered in life. They were a team -both economically and as parents. My father coached the Little League Teams - even had his law firm sponsor them - my mother was the Girl Scout/Cub Scout leader. Mom took us to art museums, exhibtions and concerts (although I once went with her - just me, not my brother or sister - to the Orange Bowl for a Dolphins game). We went to baseball games with Dad. We spent summers on Cape Cod with Mom and on the Jersey Shore with Dad. And it was always a thrill when Dad's AF Reserve Squadron buzzed the house! I could see how the power in the engines of those aircraft woould strike fear into the enemies of America. It was just awesome.

As for the AF Reserve helping to pay for college, at a minimum of 40 hours flight time for month Dad brought in an additional $2000 per month (more if there were more flight hours) in today's dollars. That would pay the tuition for one kid at school, and he got to do it while doing something he loved and that provided a valuable service to the nation. There was once an ABA Journal article he had that profiled lawyers in the military reserves. Most of those profiled were doing JAG work - extensions of their civilian lives. My father flew plans - every weekend if he could. In the end, I think this is what gave his life meaning. He loved it so much.

Somehow, the men and women who raised understood their duty to themselve, their children and their nation. I am not so sure my or the upcoming generation understands anything beyond their own selfish wishes.


How nice to have such an priviliged childhood. Bless your heart.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 16:41     Subject: Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

Only 2 kids? Damn, your mom was a slacker.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 16:34     Subject: Re:Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh, my father had his faults - as did my mother. I just don't remember my mother ever blaming my father for whatever misfortune - if any - she suffered in life. They were a team -both economically and as parents. My father coached the Little League Teams - even had his law firm sponsor them - my mother was the Girl Scout/Cub Scout leader. Mom took us to art museums, exhibtions and concerts (although I once went with her - just me, not my brother or sister - to the Orange Bowl for a Dolphins game). We went to baseball games with Dad. We spent summers on Cape Cod with Mom and on the Jersey Shore with Dad. And it was always a thrill when Dad's AF Reserve Squadron buzzed the house! I could see how the power in the engines of those aircraft woould strike fear into the enemies of America. It was just awesome.

As for the AF Reserve helping to pay for college, at a minimum of 40 hours flight time for month Dad brought in an additional $2000 per month (more if there were more flight hours) in today's dollars. That would pay the tuition for one kid at school, and he got to do it while doing something he loved and that provided a valuable service to the nation. There was once an ABA Journal article he had that profiled lawyers in the military reserves. Most of those profiled were doing JAG work - extensions of their civilian lives. My father flew plans - every weekend if he could. In the end, I think this is what gave his life meaning. He loved it so much.

Somehow, the men and women who raised understood their duty to themselve, their children and their nation. I am not so sure my or the upcoming generation understands anything beyond their own selfish wishes.


Your mom and dad took separate vacations in the summer?


Yes and no. My Mom had us at her mother's for July and in August my Dad came up and took my Mom and us to his parents house on the Jersey Shore. However, my parents did quite a few things separately. In fact, once when my father's older sister and her husband were visiting, my parents asked, incredulously, "Do you mean you do everything together?" When they replied in the affirmative, my parents looked at each other and went "Yuck!"

They were married happily - albeit with trials and tribulations - for 45 years.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 16:31     Subject: Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

Anonymous wrote:This is why marijuana needs to be legalized...so stressed husbands in the 2K can deal with these whining complaining women and sustain some semblance of a stress-free existence.


Dude!!!
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 16:27     Subject: Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

This is why marijuana needs to be legalized...so stressed husbands in the 2K can deal with these whining complaining women and sustain some semblance of a stress-free existence.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 16:25     Subject: Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

16:11 - out of curiosity, why is it so important to you that women do hair and makeup every day for their husbands? Do wives have to be stepford perfect all the time? That seems exhausting. I don't expect a guy (or anyone) to look nice all the time. I hope you haven't literally gotten dressed up and made-up for your husband every day for 26 years because you worry that you would lose him.

not trying to be mean, but I just don't see "not always looking perfect" as a deal-breaker.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 16:23     Subject: Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

I don't want to be more like my mother. She was a nice person and a good wife and mother, but she was also low-level depressed for many years, and never really did anything *she* wanted to do because she felt that her life had to be all about staying home for her husband and kids. It never got to be about here. After we were all in school, she started occasionally working and seemed really happy to be out of the house. I never realized how unhappy she was until I read the letter she wrote me when she was dying at age 41. Made me so sad.

So no, I'm ok not being her. I can't say I'm happy all the time either, but even as a single mom who would rather be a married mom, I'm happier than she was.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 16:11     Subject: Re:Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

I think the OP is dead on. I read the threads on the relationship discussion tab because they pop up when I look at recent topics. Nothing but a bunch of bitter, angry, complaining women. I don't respond because if I did it wouldn't be nice. I can totally understand why these men bail on their wives. Who wants to be married to a complaining, nagging shrew?

"My husband took my kids Christmas shopping for a gift for me but it sucked." Seriously? What man in his right mind stays married to someone like that?

"I'm not getting dressed up/doing hair and make-up every day just for my husband." Wow.

"I told my husband I was going to be shopping for a few hours and came back six hours later. He's an ass for being pissed off, isn't he?. I mean, come on!

On and on and on in this forum.

There are plenty of wives (like the PP and like me) who adore their husbands and wouldn't dream of acting like a spoiled child. I suspect you don't hear much from us on this forum.

Signed,

Happily married for 26 years
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 15:58     Subject: Re:Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Somehow, the men and women who raised understood their duty to themselve, their children and their nation. I am not so sure my or the upcoming generation understands anything beyond their own selfish wishes.


Whither are the manly vigor and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt...
Town and Country Magazine, November 1771

Never has youth been exposed to such dangers of both perversion and arrest as in our own land and day. Increasing urban life with its temptations, prematurities, sedentary occupations, and passive stimuli just when an active life is most needed, early emancipation and a lessening sense for both duty and discipline, the haste to know and do all befitting man's estate before its time, the mad rush for sudden wealth and the reckless fashions set by its gilded youth--all these lack some of the regulatives they still have in older lands with more conservative conditions.
The Psychology of Adolescence, 1904

...a fearful multitude of untutored savages... [boys] with dogs at their heels and other evidence of dissolute habits...[girls who] drive coal-carts, ride astride upon horses, drink, swear, fight, smoke, whistle, and care for nobody...the morals of children are tenfold worse than formerly.
Speech to the House of Commons, 1843

Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt.
Horace, 20 BC

Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded.
The Wise Man's Forecast Against the Evill Time, 1624

Household luxuries, school-room steam-press systems, and, above all, the mad spirit of the times, have not come to us without a loss more than proportionate...[a young man] rushes headlong, with an impetuosity which strikes fire from the sharp flints under his tread...Occasionally, one of this class...amasses an estate, but at the expense of his peace, and often of his health. The lunatic asylum or the premature grave too frequently winds up his career...We expect each succeeding generation will grow "beautifully less."
Degeneracy of Stature, 1856


http://mentalfloss.com/article/52209/15-historical-complaints-about-young-people-ruining-everything#ixzz2oze0Vv7E


This is great!
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 15:52     Subject: Re:Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

Anonymous wrote:
Somehow, the men and women who raised understood their duty to themselve, their children and their nation. I am not so sure my or the upcoming generation understands anything beyond their own selfish wishes.


Whither are the manly vigor and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt...
Town and Country Magazine, November 1771

Never has youth been exposed to such dangers of both perversion and arrest as in our own land and day. Increasing urban life with its temptations, prematurities, sedentary occupations, and passive stimuli just when an active life is most needed, early emancipation and a lessening sense for both duty and discipline, the haste to know and do all befitting man's estate before its time, the mad rush for sudden wealth and the reckless fashions set by its gilded youth--all these lack some of the regulatives they still have in older lands with more conservative conditions.
The Psychology of Adolescence, 1904

...a fearful multitude of untutored savages... [boys] with dogs at their heels and other evidence of dissolute habits...[girls who] drive coal-carts, ride astride upon horses, drink, swear, fight, smoke, whistle, and care for nobody...the morals of children are tenfold worse than formerly.
Speech to the House of Commons, 1843

Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt.
Horace, 20 BC

Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded.
The Wise Man's Forecast Against the Evill Time, 1624

Household luxuries, school-room steam-press systems, and, above all, the mad spirit of the times, have not come to us without a loss more than proportionate...[a young man] rushes headlong, with an impetuosity which strikes fire from the sharp flints under his tread...Occasionally, one of this class...amasses an estate, but at the expense of his peace, and often of his health. The lunatic asylum or the premature grave too frequently winds up his career...We expect each succeeding generation will grow "beautifully less."
Degeneracy of Stature, 1856


http://mentalfloss.com/article/52209/15-historical-complaints-about-young-people-ruining-everything#ixzz2oze0Vv7E
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 15:22     Subject: Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

We often have a tendency to forget about the bad stuff that happens when we get through it.

For every marriage that soldiered on through and did well for each other/the kids, there were probably several marriages that did their kids a disservice by remaining intact.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 15:20     Subject: Re:Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

Anonymous wrote:Oh, my father had his faults - as did my mother. I just don't remember my mother ever blaming my father for whatever misfortune - if any - she suffered in life. They were a team -both economically and as parents. My father coached the Little League Teams - even had his law firm sponsor them - my mother was the Girl Scout/Cub Scout leader. Mom took us to art museums, exhibtions and concerts (although I once went with her - just me, not my brother or sister - to the Orange Bowl for a Dolphins game). We went to baseball games with Dad. We spent summers on Cape Cod with Mom and on the Jersey Shore with Dad. And it was always a thrill when Dad's AF Reserve Squadron buzzed the house! I could see how the power in the engines of those aircraft woould strike fear into the enemies of America. It was just awesome.

As for the AF Reserve helping to pay for college, at a minimum of 40 hours flight time for month Dad brought in an additional $2000 per month (more if there were more flight hours) in today's dollars. That would pay the tuition for one kid at school, and he got to do it while doing something he loved and that provided a valuable service to the nation. There was once an ABA Journal article he had that profiled lawyers in the military reserves. Most of those profiled were doing JAG work - extensions of their civilian lives. My father flew plans - every weekend if he could. In the end, I think this is what gave his life meaning. He loved it so much.

Somehow, the men and women who raised understood their duty to themselve, their children and their nation. I am not so sure my or the upcoming generation understands anything beyond their own selfish wishes.


Your mom and dad took separate vacations in the summer?
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 15:17     Subject: Re:Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

Oh, my father had his faults - as did my mother. I just don't remember my mother ever blaming my father for whatever misfortune - if any - she suffered in life. They were a team -both economically and as parents. My father coached the Little League Teams - even had his law firm sponsor them - my mother was the Girl Scout/Cub Scout leader. Mom took us to art museums, exhibtions and concerts (although I once went with her - just me, not my brother or sister - to the Orange Bowl for a Dolphins game). We went to baseball games with Dad. We spent summers on Cape Cod with Mom and on the Jersey Shore with Dad. And it was always a thrill when Dad's AF Reserve Squadron buzzed the house! I could see how the power in the engines of those aircraft woould strike fear into the enemies of America. It was just awesome.

As for the AF Reserve helping to pay for college, at a minimum of 40 hours flight time for month Dad brought in an additional $2000 per month (more if there were more flight hours) in today's dollars. That would pay the tuition for one kid at school, and he got to do it while doing something he loved and that provided a valuable service to the nation. There was once an ABA Journal article he had that profiled lawyers in the military reserves. Most of those profiled were doing JAG work - extensions of their civilian lives. My father flew plans - every weekend if he could. In the end, I think this is what gave his life meaning. He loved it so much.

Somehow, the men and women who raised understood their duty to themselve, their children and their nation. I am not so sure my or the upcoming generation understands anything beyond their own selfish wishes.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2013 15:10     Subject: Why Can't We Be More Like Our Mothers?

Some of those women exist, OP. I am one of them. You just don't know it because I have nothing about my relationship to post about. What would I say? "My marriage is awesome - try to be more like my husband and me"? That wouldn't go over well.

We are respectful of each other, we try to make each other happy, we take care of ourselves and each other, we nurture each other physically and emotionally, we do things as a couple that are fun, we have couple-friends and personal friends, and we always assume the best of each other and are always willing to apologize when we've hurt each others feelings.

I want him to be happy to come home and see me, and he wants me to be happy to come home and see him, and we both work towards that in many ways.