Walking on much water these days 22:04? Your point is well taken but very condescending. You worked in ethics? I would have never sought you out for information.

And we wonder why the government is so screwed up when there is arguing about getting extra, non-conflicting work so you don't starve.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^Some people don't like or can't handle dogs, don't like kids, and can't even keep their own house clean. All about what you are capable of doing whether professionally or not. No one should ever try and dictate how you should earn your money during this shutdown but preferably legal.

No one is trying to dictate anything. It's tough to get a job period, let alone in your field for a temporary time period, that will likely not last longer than a month. Many people take jobs outside of their field to make ends meet.

Good luck with your temporary job hunt.

Nurses will have an easier time than most getting temp work. Live with it, get over it, and move on.

Just notified from a Level One trauma center they will take whatever time I can give in the ER. 20 years as a registered nurse, and I've kept myself in every hospital pool to pick up extra money now and then. I learned my lesson (as most nurses working for the government) 17 years ago when we were off for three weeks during the holidays.

just to be safe you may want to check with your agency ethics officials to confirm you don't need approval to do it (even if it's permitted, as I guess it would be).

I would assume that most people would be smart enough to recognize a conflict of interest. I doubt a nurse who's picking up bedside shifts in a hospital is violating law just because it's not at NIH who also maintains a nurse pool. I can't envision Washington Hospital Center telling their staff you can't work the pool at NIH because taking care of the sick is the same work you do here.

You may imagine but you may also be wrong.

Ethics regulations are not always as simple as you might think. I was an ethics official for 15 yrs. and always told people there is no such thing as a stupid question because there are any number of variables that might (or might not) be relevant. If you get advice from an ethics official and they are wrong, you still have a "safe harbor." If you "imagine" wrong all on your own, your butt's in the sling.

The downside for assuming (imagining) incorrectly can be severe. Why would you not ask a question when there is someone with expertise to answer it, when the consequence of violating an ethics reg could be significant? You've no doubt heard the joke about what happens when you assume (ass + u + me)? ...

But hey, I love imagining ... imagine away.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^Some people don't like or can't handle dogs, don't like kids, and can't even keep their own house clean. All about what you are capable of doing whether professionally or not. No one should ever try and dictate how you should earn your money during this shutdown but preferably legal.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. You took an oath as a federal employee to abide by ethics regulations including conflict of interest, so in some cases there is an interest of your agency/dept. in what you do even during a furlough. It may suck but it also is the law.

This. At my agency you are required to get advance permission for any outside work and even some outside activities that are not paid. It's in our regulations. And it is a fireable offense if you do not. We were given specific info on how to obtain permission during furlough, if needed.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^Some people don't like or can't handle dogs, don't like kids, and can't even keep their own house clean. All about what you are capable of doing whether professionally or not. No one should ever try and dictate how you should earn your money during this shutdown but preferably legal.

No one is trying to dictate anything. It's tough to get a job period, let alone in your field for a temporary time period, that will likely not last longer than a month. Many people take jobs outside of their field to make ends meet.

Good luck with your temporary job hunt.

Nurses will have an easier time than most getting temp work. Live with it, get over it, and move on.

Just notified from a Level One trauma center they will take whatever time I can give in the ER. 20 years as a registered nurse, and I've kept myself in every hospital pool to pick up extra money now and then. I learned my lesson (as most nurses working for the government) 17 years ago when we were off for three weeks during the holidays.

just to be safe you may want to check with your agency ethics officials to confirm you don't need approval to do it (even if it's permitted, as I guess it would be).

I would assume that most people would be smart enough to recognize a conflict of interest. I doubt a nurse who's picking up bedside shifts in a hospital is violating law just because it's not at NIH who also maintains a nurse pool. I can't envision Washington Hospital Center telling their staff you can't work the pool at NIH because taking care of the sick is the same work you do here.

Anonymous wrote:I doubt picking up a nursing shift if you are a nurse would be an ethics conflict, though I can't be sure

I think it is more an issue for lawyers, policy analysts, etc

it can apply to anyone whose outside work involves the same subject matter or matters affecting specific parties that have business before your agency... when in doubt ask your ethics official, if you don't need approval they'll tell you so ...

Anonymous wrote:^^^Some people don't like or can't handle dogs, don't like kids, and can't even keep their own house clean. All about what you are capable of doing whether professionally or not. No one should ever try and dictate how you should earn your money during this shutdown but preferably legal.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. You took an oath as a federal employee to abide by ethics regulations including conflict of interest, so in some cases there is an interest of your agency/dept. in what you do even during a furlough. It may suck but it also is the law.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^Some people don't like or can't handle dogs, don't like kids, and can't even keep their own house clean. All about what you are capable of doing whether professionally or not. No one should ever try and dictate how you should earn your money during this shutdown but preferably legal.

No one is trying to dictate anything. It's tough to get a job period, let alone in your field for a temporary time period, that will likely not last longer than a month. Many people take jobs outside of their field to make ends meet.

Good luck with your temporary job hunt.

Nurses will have an easier time than most getting temp work. Live with it, get over it, and move on.

Just notified from a Level One trauma center they will take whatever time I can give in the ER. 20 years as a registered nurse, and I've kept myself in every hospital pool to pick up extra money now and then. I learned my lesson (as most nurses working for the government) 17 years ago when we were off for three weeks during the holidays.

just to be safe you may want to check with your agency ethics officials to confirm you don't need approval to do it (even if it's permitted, as I guess it would be).

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Anonymous wrote:Except, there's no one to ask if you want to do this. My manager and her manager were both furloughed as well. Am I supposed to go ask the agency head who is next in my supervisory chain for permission?

You go to your Deputy Ethics Official, or the agency/Departmental ethics counsel, they are the ones who give approval.

It's not a mystery, the kinds of things for which approval are required are set out by the Ofc. of Govt. Ethics and in agency supplemental ethics regs, if your agency/dept. has them.

p.s. my point is if you want to work at Starbucks you likely don't need approval. If you want to anything related to official duties or your agency's work, or representing others back to the federal govt., then you may need approval or in the latter case, be prohibited in most circumstances.

Anonymous wrote:Except, there's no one to ask if you want to do this. My manager and her manager were both furloughed as well. Am I supposed to go ask the agency head who is next in my supervisory chain for permission?

You go to your Deputy Ethics Official, or the agency/Departmental ethics counsel, they are the ones who give approval.

It's not a mystery, the kinds of things for which approval are required are set out by the Ofc. of Govt. Ethics and in agency supplemental ethics regs, if your agency/dept. has them.

OPM guidelines basically say as long as there is no conflict, no problem with outside work.

There is info on this in the opm furlough guidelines. Read it.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^Some people don't like or can't handle dogs, don't like kids, and can't even keep their own house clean. All about what you are capable of doing whether professionally or not. No one should ever try and dictate how you should earn your money during this shutdown but preferably legal.

No one is trying to dictate anything. It's tough to get a job period, let alone in your field for a temporary time period, that will likely not last longer than a month. Many people take jobs outside of their field to make ends meet.

Good luck with your temporary job hunt.

Nurses will have an easier time than most getting temp work. Live with it, get over it, and move on.

Just notified from a Level One trauma center they will take whatever time I can give in the ER. 20 years as a registered nurse, and I've kept myself in every hospital pool to pick up extra money now and then. I learned my lesson (as most nurses working for the government) 17 years ago when we were off for three weeks during the holidays.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^Some people don't like or can't handle dogs, don't like kids, and can't even keep their own house clean. All about what you are capable of doing whether professionally or not. No one should ever try and dictate how you should earn your money during this shutdown but preferably legal.

No one is trying to dictate anything. It's tough to get a job period, let alone in your field for a temporary time period, that will likely not last longer than a month. Many people take jobs outside of their field to make ends meet.

Good luck with your temporary job hunt.

Nurses will have an easier time than most getting temp work. Live with it, get over it, and move on.

Anonymous wrote:^^^Some people don't like or can't handle dogs, don't like kids, and can't even keep their own house clean. All about what you are capable of doing whether professionally or not. No one should ever try and dictate how you should earn your money during this shutdown but preferably legal.

No one is trying to dictate anything. It's tough to get a job period, let alone in your field for a temporary time period, that will likely not last longer than a month. Many people take jobs outside of their field to make ends meet.

Good luck with your temporary job hunt.