Anonymous
Post 09/24/2013 13:24     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
If they had parents weekend in mid-November or later, the parents would be jumping off the bridge. No one wants to be in such a dreary climate. M
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2013 12:44     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
The form of committing suicide can actually be contagious. If a spot becomes known as a place to jump, more people will jump there. And if it gets walled off, many won't commit suicide at all because once the method is removed they decide not to. This has been studied.

Suicide and suicide attempts are at all colleges. But if there's a cluster at Cornell, good for them for addressing the issue.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2013 09:42     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
Anonymous wrote:Actually, they're not. That article is misleading. When I toured the campus 20 years ago I asked this same question and the stats were shared to set us all on the tour straight. I attended Cornell and have been following this issue closely since I graduated because this rumor or use of misleading stats deters people from applying.

MANY schools get away with under-reporting their suicide numbers because they basically get to choose (or the families do) which pill overdoses are recorded as suicides. Jumping deaths can't be mislabeled or hidden.


So your argument is that students at Cornell only commit suicide by jumping from bridges? And students at other schools use a variety of methods, leading to inaccurate statistics?
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2013 09:25     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
Anonymous wrote:Actually, they're not. That article is misleading. When I toured the campus 20 years ago I asked this same question and the stats were shared to set us all on the tour straight. I attended Cornell and have been following this issue closely since I graduated because this rumor or use of misleading stats deters people from applying.

MANY schools get away with under-reporting their suicide numbers because they basically get to choose (or the families do) which pill overdoses are recorded as suicides. Jumping deaths can't be mislabeled or hidden.


Huh? How many kids are dying of pill overdoses on college campuses?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2013 16:28     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
Anonymous wrote:Actually, they're not. That article is misleading. When I toured the campus 20 years ago I asked this same question and the stats were shared to set us all on the tour straight. I attended Cornell and have been following this issue closely since I graduated because this rumor or use of misleading stats deters people from applying.

MANY schools get away with under-reporting their suicide numbers because they basically get to choose (or the families do) which pill overdoses are recorded as suicides. Jumping deaths can't be mislabeled or hidden.


Jump or fall due to inebriation or high or on drugs or a combo? Freeze to death while passed out. Slide on ice and go down a cliff.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2013 16:26     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP you shouldn't jump to conclusions based on this. It could be that Cornell is commendably facing a problem that is worse at other schools because their administration isn't. Have your DC speak with actual students about this. Your DD should do her own research.

Also, you should probably not go looking for things like this that will alarm you. You will find certain schools are known for drinking and certain schools are known for drugs and others have a hook-up culture, or whatever. Your DD will have to negotiate all these things where ever she goes. This is the time to step back and let her make the decisions. My first is also a senior and is important not to let your own anxiety about them leaving home cause you to intrude on the process.


Of course as a responsible parent sending off her daughter to school..she should be looking. What a ridiculous statement. Yes there is reason to be alarmed and yes it is worse at Cornell. The entire lacrosse schedule for mens lacrosse was canceled due to a recent serious case involving hazing, this past week!!!
They were trying to keep it hushed but word got out and now everyone knows. Not to say it cannot happen elsewhere but it seems to happen more there, as well as suicides. Not a good thing for Cornell.


but chugging and more
http://www.ivygateblog.com/2011/01/cornells-chi-psi-fraternity-enjoys-its-keystone-with-a-tinge-of-ass/
http://dailytrojan.com/2012/04/18/hazing-cant-be-taken-lightly-anymore/

other tales from schools have included naked wrestling etc and with the advent of cell phone cameras one can imagine the places these end up.

The Cornell laxers were drinking and vomiting. Suspended from fall OFF season games but can still practice. So they are not losing their season. Punishment? Should be forfeiting real games .
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2013 15:55     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
Actually, they're not. That article is misleading. When I toured the campus 20 years ago I asked this same question and the stats were shared to set us all on the tour straight. I attended Cornell and have been following this issue closely since I graduated because this rumor or use of misleading stats deters people from applying.

MANY schools get away with under-reporting their suicide numbers because they basically get to choose (or the families do) which pill overdoses are recorded as suicides. Jumping deaths can't be mislabeled or hidden.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2013 15:37     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/cornell-suicide-rate
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2013 15:03     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
Anonymous wrote:Cornells rates ARE higher than average. Educate yourself before you start saying "facts" that are not true.


source?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2013 15:01     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
Cornells rates ARE higher than average. Educate yourself before you start saying "facts" that are not true.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2013 15:00     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
Anonymous wrote:To me that's even more of an indictment of lacrosse culture, rather than Cornell.



So disagree. I can tell you 10 times more football teams or basketball teams that have had far worse scandals. I know of two or three tops lacrosse scandals at the college level.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2013 12:44     Subject: Re:Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
Anonymous wrote:When I started at a 7 sisters college in the 90s, I had to sign a statement that I wouldn't participate in hazing before I could get my dorm key. I think it's a problem many places, and I think it's a good sign when schools are open about the problem.


I don't think hazing has ever been much of a problem at all girls schools
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2013 18:45     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
To me that's even more of an indictment of lacrosse culture, rather than Cornell.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2013 18:44     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
Cornell's suicide rate is the same as at other schools -- the suicides there just get more attention (coverage) because of the dramatic bridge-jumping (as compared to not-covered-in the-news pill popping.)

Stop keeping this false rumor alive!
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2013 17:35     Subject: Cornell has a website solely devoted to hazing?
You decide....

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/education/17cornell.html


To their credit, they do seem to take a very proactive approach when it comes to dealing with difficult situations