Anonymous
Post 08/25/2013 09:28     Subject: Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
To the life isn't fair poster ...you are correct. Life isn't fair. But what IS fair is that if you have a job that requires you to get certain things done, you have to get them done. I've been a pumping mom and I've completed my work on time.
It is ridiculous to expect that a boss is going to give you less work than others or be lenient on your work because of outside situations. If you cant get the job done that you were hired to do, find a new job. The mentality of "poor me, i have to pump and can't get my work done. I want a lenient boss" just gives into the stereotype that moms make poor employees.

Anonymous
Post 08/25/2013 07:37     Subject: Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
Formula would fix this issue for you.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2013 07:35     Subject: Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
As a manager you can't give a break to people with kids just because they have kids. Everyone has family situations. Your expectations are for the associate performing a job. Expecting a kid or dealing with divorce or going to school at night all are personal issues. You can give one a break and not the others.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2013 23:51     Subject: Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seriously? "Momanger"?

It's pretty insulting that you assume only other moms can be good managers.



Honestly I find that people with kids tend to be more understanding of parents. When I was a manager I had a guy that was late all the time when his wife was pregnant plus they already had one kid. I got on him about it and lowered his review score. Now that I have kids, I totally get it. Not that non-parent managers won't get it, but having kids definitely changed my perspective.


While I agree with this, it is also unfair for those who don't have families. So if OP can't get her work done because of child or pumping related activities, should the work she can't do be passed on to someone else? What if they have community activities or a sick relative that they need their free time for? Or what if someone has a sick family member and is late for work? Should they be written up but someone with a sick child be given a free pass? I'm a mom and I get the need for flexibility. But I really don't think special accommodations should be given to people with children. If your work requires you to get stuff done, you need to get it done. If you can't cut it, perhaps it isn't the right job for you. And I say this to dads and moms alike.


Life isn't fair....deal with it. Everyone is not playing with the same deck. Stop worrying about what people with issues "get" as if having a sick anything is a privilege. Worry about what you are getting done.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2013 16:27     Subject: Re:Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not sure why you sound so outraged at the thought of having to make up time if you pump. As a manager, i would expect you to - either stay late, work through lunch (or as pp said, pump through lunch) and/or bring work home. Unless you are actually working as you pump.


Managers with this mindset suck. Too worried about butts in seats than results.


I think this manager means you get your work done regardless. I don't think they are talking about specific time. And I think that is an appropriate mindset to have. You get your work done however you have to do it. If you have a project due, you have a project due. Figure out a way to get the work done around the pumping and lunch breaks. If you can't get the project done, find another job. This goes for moms and dads.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2013 16:25     Subject: Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seriously? "Momanger"?

It's pretty insulting that you assume only other moms can be good managers.



Honestly I find that people with kids tend to be more understanding of parents. When I was a manager I had a guy that was late all the time when his wife was pregnant plus they already had one kid. I got on him about it and lowered his review score. Now that I have kids, I totally get it. Not that non-parent managers won't get it, but having kids definitely changed my perspective.


While I agree with this, it is also unfair for those who don't have families. So if OP can't get her work done because of child or pumping related activities, should the work she can't do be passed on to someone else? What if they have community activities or a sick relative that they need their free time for? Or what if someone has a sick family member and is late for work? Should they be written up but someone with a sick child be given a free pass? I'm a mom and I get the need for flexibility. But I really don't think special accommodations should be given to people with children. If your work requires you to get stuff done, you need to get it done. If you can't cut it, perhaps it isn't the right job for you. And I say this to dads and moms alike.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2013 16:19     Subject: Re:Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
Anonymous wrote:Not sure why you sound so outraged at the thought of having to make up time if you pump. As a manager, i would expect you to - either stay late, work through lunch (or as pp said, pump through lunch) and/or bring work home. Unless you are actually working as you pump.


Managers with this mindset suck. Too worried about butts in seats than results.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2013 16:16     Subject: Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
Anonymous wrote:Seriously? "Momanger"?

It's pretty insulting that you assume only other moms can be good managers.



Honestly I find that people with kids tend to be more understanding of parents. When I was a manager I had a guy that was late all the time when his wife was pregnant plus they already had one kid. I got on him about it and lowered his review score. Now that I have kids, I totally get it. Not that non-parent managers won't get it, but having kids definitely changed my perspective.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2013 15:33     Subject: Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
OP - I used to work at a very family friendly work place. Boss was a mother of 3, owner was a mother of 2 and they were very accommodating to parents. However, the deal was you got your work done however you needed to do it. We were salaried, so no OT. If we had to leave early to take care of a sick kid, it was no problem. But our work as expected to be done anyways. So if we had a project due in a week, it was still due at the same time regardless of how much time we took off for child related issues.

And that's how it should be. Being a parent doesn't provide an excuse not to get your work done. It adds some challenges, but all working parents have challenges, men and women.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2013 15:29     Subject: Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
Op, you are on DCUM at 9:09. Do you pump first thing when you get in? Perhaps you can delay by 20 min in order to check emails, make a to do list, do a schedule for the day,etc. this may help.

Or you just work different hours.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2013 15:26     Subject: Re:Desperatel?y Seeking a Momanger
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not sure why you sound so outraged at the thought of having to make up time if you pump. As a manager, i would expect you to - either stay late, work through lunch (or as pp said, pump through lunch) and/or bring work home. Unless you are actually working as you pump.


As a dadmanager I wouldnt give a shit if she made up time or not, I'd only care if the work got done. What is it with people and an obsession with time? Reward results, not hours.


Well, sure, but OP clearly isn't getting her work done, otherwise she wouldn't need to stay up until 2 to catch up.


But whys is.OP staying up til.2 if pumping /lunch are only.taking up 1.5 hours? Something else is at play.


Agree. OP is overworked; the pumping is just exacerbating an existing problem.