Anonymous wrote:You do realize that there have also been rodeo clowns of other Presidents? As far as Game of Thrones, it certainly had a far bigger audience.

You are essentially changing the topic. A poster said that as a person of color, he/she would have been scared to have been at the rodeo. A right winger who apparently finds television to be quite scary asked whether white people should have been scared about Bush's head on a stake. I explained that there is a difference between what happens in the midst of a riled up crowd at a rodeo and a very brief scene on a television show: one could possibly provoke a mob reaction while the other almost certainly wouldn't. The size of the viewing audience of the television show hardly makes a difference to my point.

Do I like the rodeo clown? NO
Do I think they should have done this? Probably not.
Should this be investigated as a "hate crime" Absolutely not.

You do realize that there have also been rodeo clowns of other Presidents? As far as Game of Thrones, it certainly had a far bigger audience.

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Anonymous wrote:as a brown person, if i had been present at this rodeo, i'd be pretty frightened for my safety. the apologists on this thread need a serious barometer re-set.

Were the white people frightened for their safety at the events where Bush's head was placed on a pike?

You keep bringing this up. You are aware that this was shown for little more than a split second on Game of Thrones, correct? The vast majority of viewers -- white or otherwise -- did not recognize Bush. While the clown was made to look like Obama, the Bush head was costumed to fit the scene. Anyone watching the show who did recognize Bush was likely at home on their couch and only had to fear whether they could hold out to the end of the show to take a bathroom break. This is a huge contrast to being in the middle of a revved-up crowd. It is very sad that you do not seem to understand that distinction.

Anonymous wrote:as a brown person, if i had been present at this rodeo, i'd be pretty frightened for my safety. the apologists on this thread need a serious barometer re-set.

Were the white people frightened for their safety at the events where Bush's head was placed on a pike?

as a brown person, if i had been present at this rodeo, i'd be pretty frightened for my safety. the apologists on this thread need a serious barometer re-set.

Anonymous wrote:When the NAACP complains, it is easy to jump to the conclusion that the issue is race! Also, watch any news show, race appears to be the issue there. For the casual observer, they have made it about race.

Frequently, those calling something racist are simply being accurate. Here is that known liberal, RNC head Reince Priebus doing it, for example:

"Using the word 'self-deportation' — it's a horrific comment to make," Priebus said, in a forceful rebuke. "I don't think it has anything to do with our party. When someone makes those comments, obviously, it's racist."

http://www.businessinsider.com/reince-priebus-immigration-reform-rnc-steve-king-self-deportation-2013-8#ixzz2c8YaDcN3

Of course, Mitt Romney was a big proponent of "self-deportation".

When the NAACP complains, it is easy to jump to the conclusion that the issue is race! Also, watch any news show, race appears to be the issue there. For the casual observer, they have made it about race.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going to racism requires no deep thinking

Nor does making a reply that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Going to racism seems to be the default with libs when it comes to Obama. This is case in point.

Again, where was racism brought up? The default with you seem to be to reject non-existant claims of racism.

Head of Missouri NAACP Calls Obama Clown Mask A Hate Crime


LAS VEGAS, Nev. (KMOX) – The President of the Missouri Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) says a rodeo clown act depicting President Barack Obama at the Missouri State Fair Saturday night was a hate crime.

“I think that a hate crime occurred,” Mary Ratliff told KXNT Radio in Las Vegas Thursday. ”I think a hate crime occurs when you use a person’s race to depict who they are and to make degrading comments, gestures, et cetera, against them.”

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/08/15/head-of-n-a-a-c-p-in-missouri-calls-obama-clown-mask-stunt-a-hate-crime/

This was not in the article referenced in the original post. Nor did any DCUM poster mention race (other than those complaining about race being mentioned, when it hadn't been). Moreover, the official NAACP call to investigate -- the topic of this thread -- does not mention race. So, I commend you for your ability to scour the internet and find a case of someone calling it a hate crime. But, I disagree that one example is evidence of default behavior. Indeed, given your need to go well outside the bounds of this discussion to find your example, I think you have proved that it isn't the default.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going to racism requires no deep thinking

Nor does making a reply that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Going to racism seems to be the default with libs when it comes to Obama. This is case in point.

Again, where was racism brought up? The default with you seem to be to reject non-existant claims of racism.

Head of Missouri NAACP Calls Obama Clown Mask A Hate Crime


LAS VEGAS, Nev. (KMOX) – The President of the Missouri Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) says a rodeo clown act depicting President Barack Obama at the Missouri State Fair Saturday night was a hate crime.

“I think that a hate crime occurred,” Mary Ratliff told KXNT Radio in Las Vegas Thursday. ”I think a hate crime occurs when you use a person’s race to depict who they are and to make degrading comments, gestures, et cetera, against them.”
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/08/15/head-of-n-a-a-c-p-in-missouri-calls-obama-clown-mask-stunt-a-hate-crime/

Anonymous wrote:NAACP were the ones lodging complaint. Did they do same when it was Bush?

In their defense, if a crowd saw a clown that looked like Dubya running around at a rodeo, they would probably assume it was a campaign stop.

NAACP were the ones lodging complaint. Did they do same when it was Bush?

I didn't realize it was for "inciting violence"--that is even more ridiculous--it was an act. That's what rodeo clowns do.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going to racism requires no deep thinking

Nor does making a reply that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Going to racism seems to be the default with libs when it comes to Obama. This is case in point.

Again, where was racism brought up? The default with you seem to be to reject non-existant claims of racism.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going to racism requires no deep thinking

Nor does making a reply that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Going to racism seems to be the default with libs when it comes to Obama. This is case in point.