Anonymous wrote:

OK, Pope will not judge gays, but women priests are a definite no.
Does that mean that he judges women priests?

Not sure he addressed the priest thing with the gays.

Yes he did
And the answer is NO women priests. You need a penis for that job. A catholic penis that can be used for just peeing standing up, nothing else

And yet the general attitude toward people who have sex while using birth control or outside of marriage is a bit more, shall we say, lenient than the attitude toward those of us who have sex with people of the same gender.

I think the Pope's statement was a huge step forward, simply because he dared to say that being gay isn't something he's prepared to judge.

I'd love to see more of his flock follow suit.

I'm glad he said it, but the reality is that Pope Francis' statement really isn't a departure from current Catholic teaching.

Homosexuality is not the supposed problem. It's homosexual sex, which to the Catholic Church is no different from any intercourse that occurs outside of marriage and/or using birth control. Official Church position on sex generally is that any time sex occurs, it should be between married people who are open to the idea of the children that could result from that union.

Sex that clearly won't result in kids, i.e. gay sex or sex with birthcontrol, is considered a sin. Extramarital sex is seen the same way.

16:09, you're taking the "left alone" idea a bit literally. It doesn't mean "on an island in the middle of the Pacific."

I'm guessing law firms that track gay hires are doing it because there is a benefit for them in doing do, either in attracting great talent or more clients. It's certainly not because any law requires it.

As for forcing the Boy Scouts to "accept homosexual scout leaders," I tend to think of the Scouts as a public accommodation, since they really don't present themselves or operate as a religious organization. Also, I believe it's parents and scouts who are asking for the change, so it seems like the organization might want to listen.

Pretty sure they would be content if you would merely leave them alone.

That would be great if that was all that was expected, but it is not...and I am not anti-gay. However, the gay lobby is so strong that it isn't just total acceptance, it is special rights. For example, big law now has to cater to the gay lobby showing the percentage of gay hires, in what capacity, etc. If their numbers don't look right they get a ding, which in turn effects client draw, etc. Then there is the boy scouts. It isn't permissible for a group to oppose homosexuality based upon its religious beliefs. They are supposed to ignore their beliefs and accept homosexual leaders. It goes on and on. I have been gay friends and do not judge homosexuality, but I firmly believe that gays do not just want to be "left alone".

I am not concerned with what two consenting adults do behind closed doors. I am in favor of gay marriage.

But you have to realize that Catholicism, like many faiths, is rooted in scripture. The Bible says it's a sin for a man to lie with another man. It's not going to get re-written. It just isn't.

Gay persons cannot expect a whole religion to change it's doctrine on this. Individuals can think for themselves, but the church body is not going to change in regards to this.

Like having sex if you are not married, that never happens!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not concerned with what two consenting adults do behind closed doors. I am in favor of gay marriage.

But you have to realize that Catholicism, like many faiths, is rooted in scripture. The Bible says it's a sin for a man to lie with another man. It's not going to get re-written. It just isn't.

Gay persons cannot expect a whole religion to change it's doctrine on this. Individuals can think for themselves, but the church body is not going to change in regards to this.

Don't you know? We are all supposed to throw confetti and celebrate their lifestyle. It's not enough to live and let live.

Take heart! None of the states or countries that have tried the live and let live approach have reported any confetti-throwing being required. They are even allowing heteros to go on engaging in gender intermarriage!

OK, Pope will not judge gays, but women priests are a definite no.
Does that mean that he judges women priests?

Not sure he addressed the priest thing with the gays.

OK, Pope will not judge gays, but women priests are a definite no.
Does that mean that he judges women priests?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not concerned with what two consenting adults do behind closed doors. I am in favor of gay marriage.

But you have to realize that Catholicism, like many faiths, is rooted in scripture. The Bible says it's a sin for a man to lie with another man. It's not going to get re-written. It just isn't.

Gay persons cannot expect a whole religion to change it's doctrine on this. Individuals can think for themselves, but the church body is not going to change in regards to this.

there are plenty of gay and gay-friendly Catholics who believe that there's nothing endemic to the Church that's anti-gay. So "gay persons" are not expecting "a whole religion to change its doctrine on this". Gay (and gay-friendly) Catholics are hoping the Church will recognize its error.

+1.

And on a separate note, I'm going to start using that phrase more often: "Who am I to judge?" Perhaps more people on this forum might consider it, too.

Anonymous wrote:I am not concerned with what two consenting adults do behind closed doors. I am in favor of gay marriage.

But you have to realize that Catholicism, like many faiths, is rooted in scripture. The Bible says it's a sin for a man to lie with another man. It's not going to get re-written. It just isn't.

Gay persons cannot expect a whole religion to change it's doctrine on this. Individuals can think for themselves, but the church body is not going to change in regards to this.

there are plenty of gay and gay-friendly Catholics who believe that there's nothing endemic to the Church that's anti-gay. So "gay persons" are not expecting "a whole religion to change its doctrine on this". Gay (and gay-friendly) Catholics are hoping the Church will recognize its error.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not concerned with what two consenting adults do behind closed doors. I am in favor of gay marriage.

But you have to realize that Catholicism, like many faiths, is rooted in scripture. The Bible says it's a sin for a man to lie with another man. It's not going to get re-written. It just isn't.

Gay persons cannot expect a whole religion to change it's doctrine on this. Individuals can think for themselves, but the church body is not going to change in regards to this.

Don't you know? We are all supposed to throw confetti and celebrate their lifestyle. It's not enough to live and let live.

Pretty sure they would be content if you would merely leave them alone.

Anonymous wrote:I am not concerned with what two consenting adults do behind closed doors. I am in favor of gay marriage.

But you have to realize that Catholicism, like many faiths, is rooted in scripture. The Bible says it's a sin for a man to lie with another man. It's not going to get re-written. It just isn't.

Gay persons cannot expect a whole religion to change it's doctrine on this. Individuals can think for themselves, but the church body is not going to change in regards to this.

Don't you know? We are all supposed to throw confetti and celebrate their lifestyle. It's not enough to live and let live.

Personally, I don't. But the whole organized religion thing insists on shoving its nose into my civil rights.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not concerned with what two consenting adults do behind closed doors. I am in favor of gay marriage.

But you have to realize that Catholicism, like many faiths, is rooted in scripture. The Bible says it's a sin for a man to lie with another man. It's not going to get re-written. It just isn't.

Gay persons cannot expect a whole religion to change it's doctrine on this. Individuals can think for themselves, but the church body is not going to change in regards to this.

Are we really going to rehash all the things the Bible prohibits, then quickly dismiss the ones you want to do (eat shellfish, get a tattoo) while still insisting that God hates gays?

Well then if the Bible is so ignorant why do gays or shellfish eaters even want to be part of the whole organized religion thing anyway?