Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 13:23     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
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Anonymous wrote:Do you also feel is is wrong to drink alcohol while pregnant or nursing because the baby can not consent to getting a buzz or getting drunk? This is an activity that is not legal until the age of 21 and has been proven to cause health issues of all kinds in the human population.


I think that drinking enough that there's a risk of a permanent change in your child's body (e.g. fetal alcohol syndrome) is wrong, yes. I think it's worse than circumcision because while the effects of circumcision may be controversial they aren't universally held as negative.

As for drinking enough to cause temporary changes, I make temporary changes in my child's body all the time. I cut his nails, and brush his hair, and put on sunblock, and feed him healthy food and not so healthy food, and give him medicine.


No one knows what a safe amount of alcohol is.


No, but we know that the dangerous level is not a single glass of wine, a few times in the last trimester, which is the kind of drinking most pregnant women I know are comfortable with.


Well based in DCUM and the other thread seems like women are drinking 1-2 times a week throughout. Some avoiding first tri. That's an insane amount in my opinion throughout the duration of pregnancy.


That's fine and all, but not one single study has shown problems consuming a drink a week--or even up to five drinks a week--throughout pregnancy. Not one. So, your opinion is just that: your opinion. It's not based on any kind of scientific evidence.


There is no study to show it is safe, either. Like many things, this is something that would not be ethical to test. So normal, caring mothers abstain.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 13:03     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
Ok pp sure not ONE study. Sure sure. Keep drinking and toast your fetus for us since you think it's all good. You are awesome.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 12:59     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Do you also feel is is wrong to drink alcohol while pregnant or nursing because the baby can not consent to getting a buzz or getting drunk? This is an activity that is not legal until the age of 21 and has been proven to cause health issues of all kinds in the human population.


I think that drinking enough that there's a risk of a permanent change in your child's body (e.g. fetal alcohol syndrome) is wrong, yes. I think it's worse than circumcision because while the effects of circumcision may be controversial they aren't universally held as negative.

As for drinking enough to cause temporary changes, I make temporary changes in my child's body all the time. I cut his nails, and brush his hair, and put on sunblock, and feed him healthy food and not so healthy food, and give him medicine.


No one knows what a safe amount of alcohol is.


No, but we know that the dangerous level is not a single glass of wine, a few times in the last trimester, which is the kind of drinking most pregnant women I know are comfortable with.


Well based in DCUM and the other thread seems like women are drinking 1-2 times a week throughout. Some avoiding first tri. That's an insane amount in my opinion throughout the duration of pregnancy.


That's fine and all, but not one single study has shown problems consuming a drink a week--or even up to five drinks a week--throughout pregnancy. Not one. So, your opinion is just that: your opinion. It's not based on any kind of scientific evidence.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 12:48     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you also feel is is wrong to drink alcohol while pregnant or nursing because the baby can not consent to getting a buzz or getting drunk? This is an activity that is not legal until the age of 21 and has been proven to cause health issues of all kinds in the human population.


I think that drinking enough that there's a risk of a permanent change in your child's body (e.g. fetal alcohol syndrome) is wrong, yes. I think it's worse than circumcision because while the effects of circumcision may be controversial they aren't universally held as negative.

As for drinking enough to cause temporary changes, I make temporary changes in my child's body all the time. I cut his nails, and brush his hair, and put on sunblock, and feed him healthy food and not so healthy food, and give him medicine.


No one knows what a safe amount of alcohol is.


No, but we know that the dangerous level is not a single glass of wine, a few times in the last trimester, which is the kind of drinking most pregnant women I know are comfortable with.


Well based in DCUM and the other thread seems like women are drinking 1-2 times a week throughout. Some avoiding first tri. That's an insane amount in my opinion throughout the duration of pregnancy.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 11:26     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you also feel is is wrong to drink alcohol while pregnant or nursing because the baby can not consent to getting a buzz or getting drunk? This is an activity that is not legal until the age of 21 and has been proven to cause health issues of all kinds in the human population.


I think that drinking enough that there's a risk of a permanent change in your child's body (e.g. fetal alcohol syndrome) is wrong, yes. I think it's worse than circumcision because while the effects of circumcision may be controversial they aren't universally held as negative.

As for drinking enough to cause temporary changes, I make temporary changes in my child's body all the time. I cut his nails, and brush his hair, and put on sunblock, and feed him healthy food and not so healthy food, and give him medicine.


No one knows what a safe amount of alcohol is.


No, but we know that the dangerous level is not a single glass of wine, a few times in the last trimester, which is the kind of drinking most pregnant women I know are comfortable with.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 11:22     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
Anonymous wrote:Audits have shown alchol duringdusted, pregnancy is bad for the baby and studies show medical and health benefits to circumcision.


You really know what you are talking about, don't you?
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 11:12     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
And here's an even more recent study with the same findings, that light drinking has no impact and may even correlate positively:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/259333.php
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 11:08     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
Light drinking is not a risk for FAS. As for other impacts:

At age 5?years cohort members born to mothers who drank up to 1–2 drinks per week or per occasion during pregnancy were not at increased risk of clinically relevant behavioural difficulties or cognitive deficits compared with children of mothers in the not-in-pregnancy group

http://jech.bmj.com/content/66/1/41.short
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 11:07     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
Audits have shown alchol duringdusted, pregnancy is bad for the baby and studies show medical and health benefits to circumcision.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 10:56     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you also feel is is wrong to drink alcohol while pregnant or nursing because the baby can not consent to getting a buzz or getting drunk? This is an activity that is not legal until the age of 21 and has been proven to cause health issues of all kinds in the human population.


I think that drinking enough that there's a risk of a permanent change in your child's body (e.g. fetal alcohol syndrome) is wrong, yes. I think it's worse than circumcision because while the effects of circumcision may be controversial they aren't universally held as negative.

As for drinking enough to cause temporary changes, I make temporary changes in my child's body all the time. I cut his nails, and brush his hair, and put on sunblock, and feed him healthy food and not so healthy food, and give him medicine.


No one knows what a safe amount of alcohol is.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 10:16     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
What a weird question. But to answer it: I am anti-circ and I didn't drink in pregnancy or while nursing because it wasn't worth the risk to me. I don't think the two are really on par though. Circumcision = lifetime irreversible effect, occasional glass of wine in pregnancy = probably no harmful effects.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2013 10:10     Subject: If you think circumcision is wrong because the newborn cannot consent...
Seriously, OP get a fucking life!

And I'm pro-circ, and can give two shits about those who are anti...DONE