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Anonymous wrote:The only "agenda" I worry about is that there will be a push to have all churches everywhere perform marriages, and some of the in-your-face gay and lesbian activists won't stop until that happens, which means having to listen to this stuff for the rest of our lives. I am pro gay marriage in a civil sense, but don't want religious institutions strong armed into performing ceremonies that they are doctrinally opposed to.

This argument irritates the hell out of me. What you're basically saying is that the political should remain divested of the church, right? If only the churches listened as well. It's a two-way street my friend. Once religious institutions became political (which has really been forever) it's an invitation for the reverse to happen. Right?

I agree with BOTH of these points, actually. There are some churches that are PROUD to perform marriages between same-sex couples. I've been to several right here in DC. I've also been to gay weddings in other parts of the country that were primarily civil commitments between not-particularly-religious adults. Commitment to marital fidelity and wanting to celebrate love do not necessarily need to be religious in nature, but if a same-sex couple wants a religious ceremony, there are certainly churches who are willing to perform that ceremony.

As for the separation of church and politics, I suspect that those "in your face gay and lesbian activists" the first PP is concerned about take a more radical stance on equality. Most people who have been discriminated against are angry about that at some point. Some choose to be more radical than others. The comments in this thread drip with soft-core bigotry - who cares about leather and mustaches? who cares if the OP refers to herself as a "gay girl"?

Anonymous wrote:The only "agenda" I worry about is that there will be a push to have all churches everywhere perform marriages, and some of the in-your-face gay and lesbian activists won't stop until that happens, which means having to listen to this stuff for the rest of our lives. I am pro gay marriage in a civil sense, but don't want religious institutions strong armed into performing ceremonies that they are doctrinally opposed to.

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Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only "agenda" I worry about is that there will be a push to have all churches everywhere perform marriages, and some of the in-your-face gay and lesbian activists won't stop until that happens, which means having to listen to this stuff for the rest of our lives. I am pro gay marriage in a civil sense, but don't want religious institutions strong armed into performing ceremonies that they are doctrinally opposed to.

This argument irritates the hell out of me. What you're basically saying is that the political should remain divested of the church, right? If only the churches listened as well. It's a two-way street my friend. Once religious institutions became political (which has really been forever) it's an invitation for the reverse to happen. Right?

Not the pp, but your comment doesn't make much sense.

You're telling me you don't see religious influence in politics???? Are you really that dense?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only "agenda" I worry about is that there will be a push to have all churches everywhere perform marriages, and some of the in-your-face gay and lesbian activists won't stop until that happens, which means having to listen to this stuff for the rest of our lives. I am pro gay marriage in a civil sense, but don't want religious institutions strong armed into performing ceremonies that they are doctrinally opposed to.

This argument irritates the hell out of me. What you're basically saying is that the political should remain divested of the church, right? If only the churches listened as well. It's a two-way street my friend. Once religious institutions became political (which has really been forever) it's an invitation for the reverse to happen. Right?

Not the pp, but your comment doesn't make much sense.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

This is complete BS. There are not enough Blacks in this country to derail LGBT rights. Oh, and in case you did not know, the District is still majority Black and the city seemed to pass rights for the LGBT community. But you can keep repeating your racist views because that's your prejudice.

I have a feeling you aren't black. While it's okay to take issue with what the pp stated, calling him/her racist is an overreaction. Let's not casually toss out labels to those who don't agree with us.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

The down-low phenomenon refers to the propensity of the gay African American male to take a wife and girlfriends either as a product of bisexuality or of an attempt to hide his sexuality from society. While this certainly transcends racial lines, the "down low" in this case does refer to the African American male, and it is seen as a function of the relative disapproval of gay and lesbian lifestyles in black culture. This is a known issue, and the vernacular originated in African American parlance, and while it may now be used outside of those racial boundaries, it has roots there and that's what, generally speaking, it refers to.

BTW, I am not black, but a good friend is a researcher (he is black) and this is his field; he holds a PhD and has devoted his life to reversing the issue of anti-gay sentiment within the black community. I am really surprised that you'd say it's not an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

This is complete BS. There are not enough Blacks in this country to derail LGBT rights. Oh, and in case you did not know, the District is still majority Black and the city seemed to pass rights for the LGBT community. But you can keep repeating your racist views because that's your prejudice.

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

So which of Prince George's and Frederick Counties voted FOR Question 6?

Anonymous wrote:I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

The down-low phenomenon refers to the propensity of the gay African American male to take a wife and girlfriends either as a product of bisexuality or of an attempt to hide his sexuality from society. While this certainly transcends racial lines, the "down low" in this case does refer to the African American male, and it is seen as a function of the relative disapproval of gay and lesbian lifestyles in black culture. This is a known issue, and the vernacular originated in African American parlance, and while it may now be used outside of those racial boundaries, it has roots there and that's what, generally speaking, it refers to.

BTW, I am not black, but a good friend is a researcher (he is black) and this is his field; he holds a PhD and has devoted his life to reversing the issue of anti-gay sentiment within the black community. I am really surprised that you'd say it's not an issue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.