Anonymous
Post 08/20/2013 19:28     Subject: India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

How can so many people grow up and be ignorant of the Indian caste system? Is this not taught in schools anymore? is world history not taught? Does no one read? See movies?
CindyBindy
Post 08/20/2013 19:06     Subject: Re:India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

Anonymous wrote:

most of the Indian parents around here won't let their daughters date, let alone marry, outside their ethnic group.

All these threads about racism, I think the Indians must just be laughing at how we Americans beat ourselves up over this. They're like, so where do all the South Asians live? What? What's wrong with preferring your own group?


I think there is a issue to address here, but it's not really as clear-cut as "living with your own group = disliking other groups". For example, in India the status quo for centuries was that people of different religious groups were really friendly with each other and did business with each other, but would never entertain the idea of marrying each other. It was like Separate But Equal, without the Jim Crow factor. That's carried over into modern India, but only to an extent.

All ethnic groups tend to self-segregate to an extent, however. Espeically minorities. If you ever visit Boston that's the first thing you'll notice. And many cities have historically had Jewish neighborhoods, Irish neighborhoods, Italian neighborhoods, etc. There will be a Chinatown everywhere. It just so happened that Indians immigrated to America largely after 1965, when there was a change in the immigration laws and America was in the grip of the civil rights movement, so actually Indians haven't segregated themselves that much. I know a lot of people in the Indian-American community and nobody has ever sought out Indian-only neighborhoods. They cared more about good school districts and low crime - and ended up in majority-white areas.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2013 19:00     Subject: India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

Anonymous wrote:Considering how dark Indians are racism is entertaining to me.


+1. Every Indian I've met is dark than me... Then there's Little Black Sambo . Lol
FYI he was indian originally.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2013 18:50     Subject: Re:India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

CindyBindy wrote:I pretty much made an account at this forum because I read this thread. Actually, because I read a bunch of virulent anti-Indian racist threads on this forum and decided I ought to register because clearly, this place is bundles of fun. By the way, I'm an Indian-American female. Hi!

Racial prejudice exists in India, but not to a greater extend than half the globe. You'll find that outside of Western nations, political correctness exists in different ways. In Brazil, African-origin/African-mixed Brazilians will joke openly about their "nappy hair" or laugh when white Brazilians joke about it. I've seen this happen. In Beijing, my Chinese cab driver told me that he hated giving black people rides because "they look like monkeys." I speak Mandarin extremely well so I do not think I misunderstood him.

I've been to Middle-eastern countries a million times and cannot measure the insane level of Arab ethno-centrism I've seen. Not just in the UAE but the entire Gulf. There are many Arabs (but adamantly not ALL Arabs) who despise anyone with darker skin, and have a special kind of distaste for non-Arab Muslims. Indians and Pakistanis bear the brunt of this discrimination because there are so many of them in the Middle-East.

And lest we think it's only those third world people hating on each other, let's not forget that since the recession began in America, our own homegrown white power movements are steadily growing: http://www.civilrights.org/publications/hatecrimes/white-supremacist.html

Another myth is that Indian society is homogeneous. I've never heard anything so ignorant in my entire life. Well apart from the idea that India is one of the least racially tolerant countries in the world. India, for those of you who confine your cultural knowledge to the Anglosphere, is basically Europe. It was cobbled together from kingdoms that had existed for centuries and were extremely distinct from each other - their languages were as different from each other as Spanish is from German (even more so, because while those languages share the Latin script, Indian languages do not share scripts), their clothes were different, literally everything was different. And the Indian population is made up of a huge variety of ethnicities, including Indians of Arab, Persian, European, Jewish, Afghan, and African descent.

Speaking of Judaism in India. It's existed in the country for centuries without once experiencing anti-Semitism. The two recorded times that did happen, the anti-Semitism was by Portuguese traders in Kerala (they destroyed a synagogue - the Hindu maharaja rebuilt it for the Calicut Jews), and recently in 2008 when Pakistani terrorists attacked Indian Jews in Mumbai. I don't think America has such a clean record, does it?

Now, if you're asking if there is a general lack of exposure to different nations in the modern world, that's true, because as vast as the Indian middle class is, it's not affluent enough to travel. There will be stereotypes about peoples they only know about through movies or novels or the media. However, there is a huge leap from that to, "the least racially tolerant country". Racial ignorance does not equate to racial intolerance. I've seen how friendly and polite Indians are to foreigners - even less "glamorous" foreigners like Africans or Arabs, who have the misfortune to carry bad stereotypes - with my own eyes. And in fact, being white will only help you in India. They'll think you're rich.

Maybe next time you get the urge to spew misinformed bs, you'll take a minute to pause and educate yourself first? Good luck.


most of the Indian parents around here won't let their daughters date, let alone marry, outside their ethnic group.

All these threads about racism, I think the Indians must just be laughing at how we Americans beat ourselves up over this. They're like, so where do all the South Asians live? What? What's wrong with preferring your own group?
CindyBindy
Post 08/20/2013 18:50     Subject: Re:India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

Anonymous wrote:

I tried to point that out on another thread -- to Indians! The thread was basically someone asking which neighborhood had the most Indians. It was an Indian OP. She insisted it wasn't any sort of bigotry against other ethnic groups, including whites, but that her inlaws visited from India for several months and she wanted to make sure they felt comfortable. I pointed out that asking for the neighborhood with the most "Indians" doesn't really ensure that because India is a diverse place with a ton of languages. Several PPs, all claiming to be Indian, then got on and flamed me for saying that. It's nice to read someone backing up what I said on that thread.


Haha I'm glad I could help and I'm sorry a bunch of idiots flamed you on that thread. It is an unfortunate truth that a lot of Indians who immigrate here these days come from less educated backgrounds than they did in the '80's and '90's. And I suppose the Internet in general does attract aspiring trolls with low IQ. Thanks for sticking up for diversity.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2013 18:46     Subject: India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

I'm the PP above. I believe I also pointed out that finding a neighborhood with a large population of seniors would probably be more effective in making sure her inlaws felt comfortable when they visited, as she indicated that they were elderly (that was her excuse for why they would only feel comfortable around other Indians, because they were old).
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2013 18:46     Subject: India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

Here we go again, Americans trying to project their view of how the world should be on to other countries.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2013 18:45     Subject: Re:India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

CindyBindy wrote:I pretty much made an account at this forum because I read this thread. Actually, because I read a bunch of virulent anti-Indian racist threads on this forum and decided I ought to register because clearly, this place is bundles of fun. By the way, I'm an Indian-American female. Hi!

Racial prejudice exists in India, but not to a greater extend than half the globe. You'll find that outside of Western nations, political correctness exists in different ways. In Brazil, African-origin/African-mixed Brazilians will joke openly about their "nappy hair" or laugh when white Brazilians joke about it. I've seen this happen. In Beijing, my Chinese cab driver told me that he hated giving black people rides because "they look like monkeys." I speak Mandarin extremely well so I do not think I misunderstood him.

I've been to Middle-eastern countries a million times and cannot measure the insane level of Arab ethno-centrism I've seen. Not just in the UAE but the entire Gulf. There are many Arabs (but adamantly not ALL Arabs) who despise anyone with darker skin, and have a special kind of distaste for non-Arab Muslims. Indians and Pakistanis bear the brunt of this discrimination because there are so many of them in the Middle-East.

And lest we think it's only those third world people hating on each other, let's not forget that since the recession began in America, our own homegrown white power movements are steadily growing: http://www.civilrights.org/publications/hatecrimes/white-supremacist.html

Another myth is that Indian society is homogeneous. I've never heard anything so ignorant in my entire life. Well apart from the idea that India is one of the least racially tolerant countries in the world. India, for those of you who confine your cultural knowledge to the Anglosphere, is basically Europe. It was cobbled together from kingdoms that had existed for centuries and were extremely distinct from each other - their languages were as different from each other as Spanish is from German (even more so, because while those languages share the Latin script, Indian languages do not share scripts), their clothes were different, literally everything was different. And the Indian population is made up of a huge variety of ethnicities, including Indians of Arab, Persian, European, Jewish, Afghan, and African descent.

Speaking of Judaism in India. It's existed in the country for centuries without once experiencing anti-Semitism. The two recorded times that did happen, the anti-Semitism was by Portuguese traders in Kerala (they destroyed a synagogue - the Hindu maharaja rebuilt it for the Calicut Jews), and recently in 2008 when Pakistani terrorists attacked Indian Jews in Mumbai. I don't think America has such a clean record, does it?

Now, if you're asking if there is a general lack of exposure to different nations in the modern world, that's true, because as vast as the Indian middle class is, it's not affluent enough to travel. There will be stereotypes about peoples they only know about through movies or novels or the media. However, there is a huge leap from that to, "the least racially tolerant country". Racial ignorance does not equate to racial intolerance. I've seen how friendly and polite Indians are to foreigners - even less "glamorous" foreigners like Africans or Arabs, who have the misfortune to carry bad stereotypes - with my own eyes. And in fact, being white will only help you in India. They'll think you're rich.

Maybe next time you get the urge to spew misinformed bs, you'll take a minute to pause and educate yourself first? Good luck.


I tried to point that out on another thread -- to Indians! The thread was basically someone asking which neighborhood had the most Indians. It was an Indian OP. She insisted it wasn't any sort of bigotry against other ethnic groups, including whites, but that her inlaws visited from India for several months and she wanted to make sure they felt comfortable. I pointed out that asking for the neighborhood with the most "Indians" doesn't really ensure that because India is a diverse place with a ton of languages. Several PPs, all claiming to be Indian, then got on and flamed me for saying that. It's nice to read someone backing up what I said on that thread.
CindyBindy
Post 08/20/2013 18:34     Subject: Re:India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

I pretty much made an account at this forum because I read this thread. Actually, because I read a bunch of virulent anti-Indian racist threads on this forum and decided I ought to register because clearly, this place is bundles of fun. By the way, I'm an Indian-American female. Hi!

Racial prejudice exists in India, but not to a greater extend than half the globe. You'll find that outside of Western nations, political correctness exists in different ways. In Brazil, African-origin/African-mixed Brazilians will joke openly about their "nappy hair" or laugh when white Brazilians joke about it. I've seen this happen. In Beijing, my Chinese cab driver told me that he hated giving black people rides because "they look like monkeys." I speak Mandarin extremely well so I do not think I misunderstood him.

I've been to Middle-eastern countries a million times and cannot measure the insane level of Arab ethno-centrism I've seen. Not just in the UAE but the entire Gulf. There are many Arabs (but adamantly not ALL Arabs) who despise anyone with darker skin, and have a special kind of distaste for non-Arab Muslims. Indians and Pakistanis bear the brunt of this discrimination because there are so many of them in the Middle-East.

And lest we think it's only those third world people hating on each other, let's not forget that since the recession began in America, our own homegrown white power movements are steadily growing: http://www.civilrights.org/publications/hatecrimes/white-supremacist.html

Another myth is that Indian society is homogeneous. I've never heard anything so ignorant in my entire life. Well apart from the idea that India is one of the least racially tolerant countries in the world. India, for those of you who confine your cultural knowledge to the Anglosphere, is basically Europe. It was cobbled together from kingdoms that had existed for centuries and were extremely distinct from each other - their languages were as different from each other as Spanish is from German (even more so, because while those languages share the Latin script, Indian languages do not share scripts), their clothes were different, literally everything was different. And the Indian population is made up of a huge variety of ethnicities, including Indians of Arab, Persian, European, Jewish, Afghan, and African descent.

Speaking of Judaism in India. It's existed in the country for centuries without once experiencing anti-Semitism. The two recorded times that did happen, the anti-Semitism was by Portuguese traders in Kerala (they destroyed a synagogue - the Hindu maharaja rebuilt it for the Calicut Jews), and recently in 2008 when Pakistani terrorists attacked Indian Jews in Mumbai. I don't think America has such a clean record, does it?

Now, if you're asking if there is a general lack of exposure to different nations in the modern world, that's true, because as vast as the Indian middle class is, it's not affluent enough to travel. There will be stereotypes about peoples they only know about through movies or novels or the media. However, there is a huge leap from that to, "the least racially tolerant country". Racial ignorance does not equate to racial intolerance. I've seen how friendly and polite Indians are to foreigners - even less "glamorous" foreigners like Africans or Arabs, who have the misfortune to carry bad stereotypes - with my own eyes. And in fact, being white will only help you in India. They'll think you're rich.

Maybe next time you get the urge to spew misinformed bs, you'll take a minute to pause and educate yourself first? Good luck.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2013 21:53     Subject: India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Considering how dark Indians are racism is entertaining to me.


Well, that's one way of admitting you know nothing about demographics and ethnic populations in India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_ethnic_groups


and you must be one of these Indians who runs around telling people that you're Caucasian,...or white.


Indian here that doesn't go around saying I'm Caucasian, although technically it is true. The Supreme Court decided in 1923 to disregard the anthropological definition of Caucasian because it was easier for "lay people" (quoted directly from the Supreme Court proceedings) to regard to the term as white skin color only. This doesn't change the actual true definition, just white people taking a fact and twisting it to make it "their own" yet again.


Caucasian is not white, that is my point.


What is "white?"


According to the above stated Supreme Court proceedings, white is " The children of English, French, German, Italian, Scandinavian and other European parentage.."
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2013 21:14     Subject: India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

"white" would be anything north of the Alps or Pyrenees.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2013 21:14     Subject: India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

Enjoyed the thoughtful discussion in the article of the possible problems with the research. There are *always* problems of one sort or another with research and it's good to see it addressed here.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2013 21:13     Subject: India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Considering how dark Indians are racism is entertaining to me.


Well, that's one way of admitting you know nothing about demographics and ethnic populations in India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_ethnic_groups


and you must be one of these Indians who runs around telling people that you're Caucasian,...or white.


Indian here that doesn't go around saying I'm Caucasian, although technically it is true. The Supreme Court decided in 1923 to disregard the anthropological definition of Caucasian because it was easier for "lay people" (quoted directly from the Supreme Court proceedings) to regard to the term as white skin color only. This doesn't change the actual true definition, just white people taking a fact and twisting it to make it "their own" yet again.


Caucasian is not white, that is my point.


What is "white?"


No one is really white. Just creamy. But there are the whitish people (Jews, Italians and Greeks), then the brown Caucasians (you know who you are) then the dark brown Caucasians (India).
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2013 21:10     Subject: India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

Anonymous wrote:The question should have been: If your son or daughter married a person of another race....
It is easy to say, that you could live next door, but ask a white Argentine if their dd married a black man, the answer would be something else.


That's an interesting point. Perhaps in the countries that came out as more tolerant, there isn't much integration with one's neighbors ... I don't know mine very well ... so they don't really care so much who is living next door. And the next door could be further away ... ha ha!!
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2013 21:08     Subject: India one of the least racially tolerant countries?

Not surprised at all.